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Diesel Won't Solve Our Gasoline Woes
The Washington Post ^ | Monday, August 8, 2005; Page A15 | Michael D. Tusiani

Posted on 08/08/2005 10:40:08 AM PDT by newgeezer

Automakers are eager to sell you a diesel-powered vehicle. ... The new energy bill establishes a tax credit as large as $3,400 for diesels, matching the break allowed for hybrids.

Diesel-fueled vehicles do afford somewhat better mileage and may not require as much maintenance as gasoline-burners. But now and for years to come, the U.S. refining industry simply cannot produce enough diesel fuel to accommodate a significant increase in the number of vehicles that burn it.

At this year's auto show in New York, a DaimlerChrysler executive responsible for research and technology cited the success of diesel-engine automobiles in Europe while suggesting that these vehicles could gain a 5 to 10 percent share of the U.S. market. ...

European governments, working with automakers, have persuaded their citizens to replace gasoline-powered cars with diesel. They set tax rates to render diesel fuel cheaper than gasoline. But oil companies had no reason to invest in additional equipment for diesel production. Demand for diesel therefore bumps against the limit of supply. The marketplace will remedy such a situation, but it will be slow (because building new refining equipment takes time) and painful (because high-cost fuel hurts the financially weak the most).

... Europe has raised its diesel quality standards to such a high level that very few refineries in other parts of the world can manufacture an acceptable product. Interestingly, the United States can. During a few months last winter, U.S. refiners quietly shipped diesel to Europe. Due to our own demand, that could not continue.

These exports undoubtedly raised U.S. prices while they lasted. In this country, we burn diesel mostly for commercial transportation. As our economy expands, we will need more fuel for trucks and locomotives to transport goods. ...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: diesel; energy; gasprices; oil; zaq
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For those who think government intervention is the answer to our energy woes, just take a look at Europe.
1 posted on 08/08/2005 10:40:08 AM PDT by newgeezer
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To: biblewonk

Diesel ping.


2 posted on 08/08/2005 10:40:41 AM PDT by newgeezer (A conservative who conserves -- a REAL capitalist!)
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To: newgeezer

Diesel causes a bigger smog problem.


3 posted on 08/08/2005 10:42:14 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: newgeezer

Not that I am for government intervention in the marketplace, but is he suggesting that we shouldn't use more diesel here because then we will disrupt the plans of the Europeans, who we have been shipping diesel to?


4 posted on 08/08/2005 10:42:33 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: newgeezer

If pork could solve all our energy needs then this bill sure takes home the bacon.


5 posted on 08/08/2005 10:42:35 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: newgeezer

I seem to remember when diesel was cheaper than Gas. Imagine if that was the cool fuel to buy.


6 posted on 08/08/2005 10:42:41 AM PDT by biblewonk (They are not gods which are made with hands.)
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To: newgeezer

But biodiesel just might.


7 posted on 08/08/2005 10:43:36 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: newgeezer
If you are old enough to think logically or able to do a bit of research you will find that our (arm pit) politicians have been working on the energy policy for the last 50 years with the same results! Accomplishing NOTHING!!!!!!!! If they are in I vote them out and if out I vote them in!! Term limits of 8 years for all politicians will solve our "arm pit" problem.
8 posted on 08/08/2005 10:45:20 AM PDT by Tannerone
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To: biblewonk
diesel is simply less refined than gasoline. Thus,refining capability is a red herring in this case. That was the reason it used to be cheaper....

Mike

9 posted on 08/08/2005 10:46:19 AM PDT by MichaelP
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To: newgeezer

This deduction is nothing to sneeze at; depending upon your tax bracket, it would be the equivalent of reducing taxable income approximately $10,000.00 to $12,500.00.


10 posted on 08/08/2005 10:46:52 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: Rodney King

If there's demand in Europe, it will raise prices here. Tax breaks for diesel mean US taxpayers are subsidizing keeping it here, rather than selling it to Europeans.


11 posted on 08/08/2005 10:47:14 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: newgeezer

Buy a diesel, convert it to biodiesel, and make a deal with your local fast food restaurant to get rid of their leftover grease for them. It's a win situation all around. Well, except for the oil companies.


12 posted on 08/08/2005 10:48:49 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: MichaelP

Yea, and now diesel is 20 to 30 cents higher than gasoline. Add in the fact that a diesel powered Dodge truck adds about $5000 to the price, where is the cost advantage? And just wait till you have to repair that diesel.


13 posted on 08/08/2005 10:49:35 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: newgeezer

A passenger vehicle could perform very well with a 4-cylinder, turbo charged diesel and get 60 miles to the gallon. Diesel fuel can be made out of many different kinds of oil as well.

This is what puzzles me about the hybrids popularity. My family had a diesel Rabbit in the 70's that got 60 MPG. How is that not better than a car full lead core batteries and gasoline generator?


14 posted on 08/08/2005 10:49:50 AM PDT by IamConservative (The true character of a man is revealed in what he does when no one is looking.)
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To: newgeezer
"...the U.S. refining industry simply cannot produce enough ..."

Just what do people think will solve this problem? It doesn't matter if our energy is generated from oil or dirt. If we cannot produce what the market demands, the prices will remain high.

Ignore the activists. Explore for resources. Harvest the new resources in the safest, cleanest way possible. Refine the resources as the market demands.

I don't understand why we continue to put up with this problem when we can do something about it, while at the same time continue to explore the possibilities for alternative fuels.

15 posted on 08/08/2005 10:51:02 AM PDT by SaveTheChief (There are 10 types of people -- those who understand binary, and those who don't.)
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To: newgeezer

> The new energy bill establishes a tax credit as large as
> $3,400 for diesels, matching the break allowed for hybrids.

But does it override locales that presently restrict
sales of diesel cars, like CA, MA, ME, etc?

Diesel was cheaper than gasoline right up until we
bought our TDI :-(

It still is, on a per-mile basis, but increasing the
demand for diesel, without doing something about the
refinery bottleneck, is not going to help anyone.

And EPA Tier II (cleaner diesel) will only further
constrain supply.

Biodiesel is a nice way to recycle otherwise wasted
food oils, but I haven't seen a study that says it
makes overall economic sense (considering the energy
cost of growing a seed oil specifically for fuel).


16 posted on 08/08/2005 10:51:44 AM PDT by Boundless
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To: caver

"Yea, and now diesel is 20 to 30 cents higher than gasoline. Add in the fact that a diesel powered Dodge truck adds about $5000 to the price, where is the cost advantage?"

Combine the tax deduction with Section 179 accelerated depreciation, taking into account the considerably better fuel mileage. I'd say that there will be quite a few willing to take advantage of this, unless I'm misunderstanding how the deduction can be applied.


17 posted on 08/08/2005 10:52:18 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: tobyhill

If pork could solve all our needs then West Virginia would be Heaven and Byrd would be King!


18 posted on 08/08/2005 10:52:18 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: RegulatorCountry

You probably have a point there. Those purchasing the diesel powered truck are probably pulling a load. I know quite a few that just own the trucks but don't pull anything with them. I don't see how they are coming out ahead.


19 posted on 08/08/2005 10:54:18 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: newgeezer
I have a Volkswagen Passat Turbodiesel (TDI) that burns little over 5 liters per 100 kilometers. The car has over 140BHP and performs brilliantly. Each winter I take it into the mountains to ski and leave it parked outside in the Alps, Tatras, wherever.

Add to that, the fact that it will run on the used oil from a French Fry machine...

I'm sold on diesel.

20 posted on 08/08/2005 10:56:11 AM PDT by Bon mots
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