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For those who think government intervention is the answer to our energy woes, just take a look at Europe.
1 posted on 08/08/2005 10:40:08 AM PDT by newgeezer
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To: biblewonk

Diesel ping.


2 posted on 08/08/2005 10:40:41 AM PDT by newgeezer (A conservative who conserves -- a REAL capitalist!)
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To: newgeezer

Diesel causes a bigger smog problem.


3 posted on 08/08/2005 10:42:14 AM PDT by Brilliant
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Not that I am for government intervention in the marketplace, but is he suggesting that we shouldn't use more diesel here because then we will disrupt the plans of the Europeans, who we have been shipping diesel to?


4 posted on 08/08/2005 10:42:33 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: newgeezer

If pork could solve all our energy needs then this bill sure takes home the bacon.


5 posted on 08/08/2005 10:42:35 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: newgeezer

But biodiesel just might.


7 posted on 08/08/2005 10:43:36 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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If you are old enough to think logically or able to do a bit of research you will find that our (arm pit) politicians have been working on the energy policy for the last 50 years with the same results! Accomplishing NOTHING!!!!!!!! If they are in I vote them out and if out I vote them in!! Term limits of 8 years for all politicians will solve our "arm pit" problem.
8 posted on 08/08/2005 10:45:20 AM PDT by Tannerone
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This deduction is nothing to sneeze at; depending upon your tax bracket, it would be the equivalent of reducing taxable income approximately $10,000.00 to $12,500.00.


10 posted on 08/08/2005 10:46:52 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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Buy a diesel, convert it to biodiesel, and make a deal with your local fast food restaurant to get rid of their leftover grease for them. It's a win situation all around. Well, except for the oil companies.


12 posted on 08/08/2005 10:48:49 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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A passenger vehicle could perform very well with a 4-cylinder, turbo charged diesel and get 60 miles to the gallon. Diesel fuel can be made out of many different kinds of oil as well.

This is what puzzles me about the hybrids popularity. My family had a diesel Rabbit in the 70's that got 60 MPG. How is that not better than a car full lead core batteries and gasoline generator?


14 posted on 08/08/2005 10:49:50 AM PDT by IamConservative (The true character of a man is revealed in what he does when no one is looking.)
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"...the U.S. refining industry simply cannot produce enough ..."

Just what do people think will solve this problem? It doesn't matter if our energy is generated from oil or dirt. If we cannot produce what the market demands, the prices will remain high.

Ignore the activists. Explore for resources. Harvest the new resources in the safest, cleanest way possible. Refine the resources as the market demands.

I don't understand why we continue to put up with this problem when we can do something about it, while at the same time continue to explore the possibilities for alternative fuels.

15 posted on 08/08/2005 10:51:02 AM PDT by SaveTheChief (There are 10 types of people -- those who understand binary, and those who don't.)
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> The new energy bill establishes a tax credit as large as
> $3,400 for diesels, matching the break allowed for hybrids.

But does it override locales that presently restrict
sales of diesel cars, like CA, MA, ME, etc?

Diesel was cheaper than gasoline right up until we
bought our TDI :-(

It still is, on a per-mile basis, but increasing the
demand for diesel, without doing something about the
refinery bottleneck, is not going to help anyone.

And EPA Tier II (cleaner diesel) will only further
constrain supply.

Biodiesel is a nice way to recycle otherwise wasted
food oils, but I haven't seen a study that says it
makes overall economic sense (considering the energy
cost of growing a seed oil specifically for fuel).


16 posted on 08/08/2005 10:51:44 AM PDT by Boundless
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I have a Volkswagen Passat Turbodiesel (TDI) that burns little over 5 liters per 100 kilometers. The car has over 140BHP and performs brilliantly. Each winter I take it into the mountains to ski and leave it parked outside in the Alps, Tatras, wherever.

Add to that, the fact that it will run on the used oil from a French Fry machine...

I'm sold on diesel.

20 posted on 08/08/2005 10:56:11 AM PDT by Bon mots
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But now and for years to come, the U.S. refining industry simply cannot produce enough diesel fuel to accommodate a significant increase in the number of vehicles that burn it.

My wife has been saying this for YEARS! "Drilling" is only part of the solution. Yoo many people believe that when oil comes out of the ground, it is boxed and shipped to the filling station via FedEx.

(shaking head/rolling eyes)

24 posted on 08/08/2005 10:59:06 AM PDT by Cobra64
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A nice in-line 4 banger turbo charged diesel would be a great addition to US light truck market..

The problem is our selling Diesel to the Euro weenies and to the Chinese..

Which is why diesel is higher now ..during it's traditional off season..

If this winter is cold...add to that exporting the home heating oil crunch and a large turbo diesel will be the least economical engine to own

imo
33 posted on 08/08/2005 11:03:07 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Save the whales. Redeem them for valuable prizes.)
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Hybrid hacks at the WT trying to save their sacred cow.

try 30% or better. PLUS, not needing petroleum as a sole fuel source.

39 posted on 08/08/2005 11:07:40 AM PDT by Dead Dog
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Why not just drive a multi-fuel vehicle...

My M35A2 Duece and a half will run on quite a few different fuels and mixtures.

Mike


42 posted on 08/08/2005 11:09:48 AM PDT by BCR #226
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He probably won't win an Oscar, either.


47 posted on 08/08/2005 11:21:49 AM PDT by rabidralph
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If diesel engines are more efficient, why do most cars have gasoline engines?

"Diesel engines have never really caught on in passenger cars. During the late 1970's, diesel engines in passenger cars did see a surge in sales because of the OPEC oil embargo (over half a million were sold in the U.S.), but that is the only significant penetration that diesel engines have made in the marketplace. Even though they are more efficient, there are eight historical problems that have held diesel engines back:

-"Diesel engines, because they have much higher compression ratios (20:1 for a typical diesel vs. 8:1 for a typical gasoline engine), tend to be heavier than an equivalent gasoline engine.

-"Diesel engines also tend to be more expensive.

-"Diesel engines, because of the weight and compression ratio, tend to have lower maximum RPM ranges than gasoline engines (see Question 381 for details). This makes diesel engines high torque rather than high horsepower, and that tends to make diesel cars slow in terms of acceleration.

-"Diesel engines must be fuel injected, and in the past fuel injection was expensive and less reliable.

-"Diesel engines tend to produce more smoke and "smell funny."

-"Diesel engines are harder to start in cold weather, and if they contain glow plugs, diesel engines can require you to wait before starting the engine so the glow plugs can heat up.

-"Diesel engines are much noisier and tend to vibrate.

-"Diesel fuel is less readily available than gasoline.

"One or two of these disadvantages would be OK, but a group of disadvantages this large is a big deterrent for lots of people.

"The two things working in favor of diesel engines are better fuel economy and longer engine life. Both of these advantages mean that, over the life of the engine, you will tend to save money with a diesel. However, you also have to take the initial high cost of the engine into account. You have to own and operate a diesel engine for a fairly long time before the fuel economy overcomes the increased purchase price of the engine. The equation works great in a big diesel tractor-trailer rig that is running 400 miles every day, but it is not nearly so beneficial in a passenger car.

"As mentioned, the list above contains historical disadvantages for diesel engines. Many of the new diesel engine designs using advanced computer control are eliminating many of these disadvantages -- smoke, noise, vibration and cost are all declining. In the future, we are likely to see many more diesel engines on the road. "

How stuff works

49 posted on 08/08/2005 11:22:18 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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IMAO, a politically conservative group of satirists, are poking fun at oil prices, alternative energy sources, and the government bureaucrats that drive up energy costs in this week's MP3 at:

http://www.imaopodcast.com/podcast/IMAO-Aug8.mp3

The August 8 show (TO LISTEN, YOUR PC MUST HAVE SPEAKERS) features:

Turn it up! It's safe for work Freeper-Friendly conservative funny!

57 posted on 08/08/2005 11:35:45 AM PDT by IMAO-Podcast (http://www.imaopodcast.com - Freeper Friendly/Work Safe comedy (You don't need an iPod to listen))
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bump so I can find this and comment later...


64 posted on 08/08/2005 11:44:03 AM PDT by patricktschetter
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