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Let's Have No More Monkey Trials - To teach faith as science is to undermine both
Time Magazine ^ | Monday, Aug. 01, 2005 | CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

Posted on 08/01/2005 10:58:13 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

The half-century campaign to eradicate any vestige of religion from public life has run its course. The backlash from a nation fed up with the A.C.L.U. kicking crèches out of municipal Christmas displays has created a new balance. State-supported universities may subsidize the activities of student religious groups. Monuments inscribed with the Ten Commandments are permitted on government grounds. The Federal Government is engaged in a major antipoverty initiative that gives money to churches. Religion is back out of the closet.

But nothing could do more to undermine this most salutary restoration than the new and gratuitous attempts to invade science, and most particularly evolution, with religion. Have we learned nothing? In Kansas, conservative school-board members are attempting to rewrite statewide standards for teaching evolution to make sure that creationism's modern stepchild, intelligent design, infiltrates the curriculum. Similar anti-Darwinian mandates are already in place in Ohio and are being fought over in 20 states. And then, as if to second the evangelical push for this tarted-up version of creationism, out of the blue appears a declaration from Christoph Cardinal Schönborn of Vienna, a man very close to the Pope, asserting that the supposed acceptance of evolution by John Paul II is mistaken. In fact, he says, the Roman Catholic Church rejects "neo-Darwinism" with the declaration that an "unguided evolutionary process--one that falls outside the bounds of divine providence--simply cannot exist."

Cannot? On what scientific evidence? Evolution is one of the most powerful and elegant theories in all of human science and the bedrock of all modern biology. Schönborn's proclamation that it cannot exist unguided--that it is driven by an intelligent designer pushing and pulling and planning and shaping the process along the way--is a perfectly legitimate statement of faith. If he and the Evangelicals just stopped there and asked that intelligent design be included in a religion curriculum, I would support them. The scandal is to teach this as science--to pretend, as does Schönborn, that his statement of faith is a defense of science. "The Catholic Church," he says, "will again defend human reason" against "scientific theories that try to explain away the appearance of design as the result of 'chance and necessity,'" which "are not scientific at all." Well, if you believe that science is reason and that reason begins with recognizing the existence of an immanent providence, then this is science. But, of course, it is not. This is faith disguised as science. Science begins not with first principles but with observation and experimentation.

In this slippery slide from "reason" to science, Schönborn is a direct descendant of the early 17th century Dutch clergyman and astronomer David Fabricius, who could not accept Johannes Kepler's discovery of elliptical planetary orbits. Why? Because the circle is so pure and perfect that reason must reject anything less. "With your ellipse," Fabricius wrote Kepler, "you abolish the circularity and uniformity of the motions, which appears to me increasingly absurd the more profoundly I think about it." No matter that, using Tycho Brahe's most exhaustive astronomical observations in history, Kepler had empirically demonstrated that the planets orbit elliptically.

This conflict between faith and science had mercifully abated over the past four centuries as each grew to permit the other its own independent sphere. What we are witnessing now is a frontier violation by the forces of religion. This new attack claims that because there are gaps in evolution, they therefore must be filled by a divine intelligent designer.

How many times do we have to rerun the Scopes "monkey trial"? There are gaps in science everywhere. Are we to fill them all with divinity? There were gaps in Newton's universe. They were ultimately filled by Einstein's revisions. There are gaps in Einstein's universe, great chasms between it and quantum theory. Perhaps they are filled by God. Perhaps not. But it is certainly not science to merely declare it so.

To teach faith as science is to undermine the very idea of science, which is the acquisition of new knowledge through hypothesis, experimentation and evidence. To teach it as science is to encourage the supercilious caricature of America as a nation in the thrall of religious authority. To teach it as science is to discredit the welcome recent advances in permitting the public expression of religion. Faith can and should be proclaimed from every mountaintop and city square. But it has no place in science class. To impose it on the teaching of evolution is not just to invite ridicule but to earn it.


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To: Dimensio

I don't see it as a national issue. It's local. People get to set the curriculum for their schools. There will probably be towns where they want to review everything taught through the lens of religion And it's a pretty good bet those towns won't be producing many Nobel Prize winners or people involved in the larger world. But so what? It doesn't matter. The system they propose, which will work for them, is self-limiting.


1,161 posted on 08/03/2005 12:16:27 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: pby
The New Testament clearly separates itself and the Christian faith from mythology..."Have nothing to do with godless myths..."(I Tim. 4:7)

No problem, most myths have enough gods to be permitted.

1,162 posted on 08/03/2005 12:23:57 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (here to help)
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To: Oztrich Boy

I continue to believe in the myth of the nymphomaniac who owns a liquor store.


1,163 posted on 08/03/2005 12:25:23 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell
The problem as I see it is that it's like a cancer. You start pushing in feel-good nonsense like ID (one of the "arguments" against evolution is that it makes our lives seem meaningless; attempting to lead people to reject the theory merely based upon perceived undesirable consequences), and it becomes easier to accept than evolution because fundamentally it's a lot simpler. It has to be -- there's nothing backing it up. To fully comprehend evolution you need to do research, and that takes work. To comprehend ID, you stop doing research, throw your hands up in the air and say "I don't understand it, so it must have been magic!".

People like not doing work. When given a choice between arriving at a conclusion by doing hard work and arriving at a conclusion by doing nothing, most people will choose the latter option, and it doesn't hurt the ID movement that they're pushing their position as "righteous" (look at all of the idiots here who have equated evolution with atheism). When you have such an organized movement promoting a position of ignorance and laziness, it tends to spread quickly if not countered by learned people who know better. If all of those people suddenly stop fighting, you find yourself facing a nation of drooling morons.

That is what I see as the danger of the ID movement. It encourages people to become lazy and, through their laziness, stupid.
1,164 posted on 08/03/2005 12:27:51 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio

It's not a cancer. It's a few people pushing an agenda in some easy targets. Assuming they are successful, they push through ID and maybe some other things, like banning Catcher in the Rye and Moby Dick. Those who disagree with them won't settle in the community or move away. Those who agree with them will stay in the community or move there.

Also, and I hate to bring this up, but you have to look at where this is taking place. My guess is that affluent communities with 90% or better college bound students in the high school aren't going for it. So you're talking about lower middleclass communities where the majority of the kids weren't heading off to college, anyway.


1,165 posted on 08/03/2005 12:36:51 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: chariotdriver
A retraction
I don't agree with you argument on theory vis a vis ID, but neither ID or evolution prepares one for going aboutadult life.

You know obey all the laws etc., make some $, know about your govt., your nations history etc., read write do math, and so on. Add  calculus,  foreign language, literature, and especially add quasi bogus logic courses for the dementeds in our world
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1,166 posted on 08/03/2005 12:43:13 AM PDT by chariotdriver
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To: durasell
Then we must intervene.
We'll flip a coin on who takes on the oil babe verses the mud babe.
1,167 posted on 08/03/2005 12:45:28 AM PDT by chariotdriver
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To: Dimensio

It encourages people to become lazy and, through their laziness, stupid.


And let's face it -- there's no shortage of bright, hyper-motivated people around. The world has become a very competitive place and millions of parents have long realized that fact for years.


1,168 posted on 08/03/2005 12:45:47 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: chariotdriver

Then we must intervene.
We'll flip a coin on who takes on the oil babe verses the mud babe.


No coin flipping. The mud babe will without doubt be Darwinian -- primordial ooze and all that -- while the oil babe will be ID.

Our challenge, as I see it, is to elect hot babes to school boards across the country. Who is with me on this?


1,169 posted on 08/03/2005 12:48:07 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Dimensio

No thats the first time I've ever heard that. Now go worship at your local scientist lab. Divine the triboletys for us.


1,170 posted on 08/03/2005 12:49:06 AM PDT by chariotdriver
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To: durasell
No the problem is guys like me and analog. Even though obtsenibly enemy's opposing each other, aren't that dedicated to the cause.
Next thing you know we'll be off at the honky-tonk dancing with all the school board babes and make them miss the meetings.
1,171 posted on 08/03/2005 12:57:22 AM PDT by chariotdriver
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To: chariotdriver

LOL!

This has been fun, but I have to get to work. Take care.

(We should all protest for more civilized debate)


1,172 posted on 08/03/2005 1:01:55 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: chariotdriver
Now go worship at your local scientist lab.

Scientists don't "worship" science. Science labs are not places of worship.

Is your cause so totally devoid of any merit that you have to resort to such inane attempts at ridicule?
1,173 posted on 08/03/2005 1:36:08 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: mwilli20; PatrickHenry; Dimensio; furball4paws; Right Wing Professor; RightWhale; donh; b_sharp; ...
You seem to have done a bit of research on the subject. I have a question you may be able to help with. There is almost immeasurable variety in the species populating the planet. If they all evolved from one single original organism, I cannot account for why there is only one kind of DNA comprised of 4 molecules. Why has DNA not evolved into various forms some more advanced than others? Is there any good reading on this subject? Thanks.

Your question is so broad that it's unlikely to be fully answered for many years to come, but here's a recent article that happens to hit on significant portions of your question:

Press Release - 02 August 2005

Scientists crack 40-year-old DNA puzzle and point to ‘hot soup’ at the origin of life

A new theory that explains why the language of our genes is more complex than it needs to be also suggests that the primordial soup where life began on earth was hot and not cold, as many scientists believe.

In a paper published in the Journal of Molecular Evolution this week, researchers from the University of Bath describe a new theory which they believe could solve a puzzle that has baffled scientists since they first deciphered the language of DNA almost 40 years ago.

In 1968, Marshall Nirenberg, Har Gobind Khorana and Robert Holley received a Nobel Prize for working out how proteins are produced from the genetic code. They discovered that three letter ‘words’ - known as codons - are read from the DNA code and then translated into one of 20 amino acids. These amino acids are then strung together in the order dictated by the DNA code and folded into complex shapes to form a specific protein.

As the DNA ‘alphabet’ contains four letters - called bases - there are as many as 64 three-letter words available in the DNA dictionary. This is because it is mathematically possible to produce 64 three-letter words from any combination of four letters.

But why there should be 64 words in the DNA dictionary which translate into just 20 amino acids, and why a process that is more complex than it needs to be should have evolved in the first place, has puzzled scientists for the last 40 years.

Dozens of scientists have suggested theories to solve the puzzle, but these have been quickly discounted or failed to explain some of the other quirks in protein synthesis.

“Why there are so many more codons than amino acids has puzzled scientists ever since it was discovered how the genetic code works,” said Dr Jean van den Elsen from the Department of Biology and Biochemistry.

“It meant the genetic code did not have the mathematical brilliance you would expect from something so fundamental to life on earth.”

One of quirks of the genetic code is that there are groups of codons which all translate to the same amino acid. For example, the amino acid leucine can be translated from six different codons whilst some amino acids, which have equally important functions and are translated in the same amount, have just one.

The new theory builds on an original idea suggested by Francis Crick - one of the discoverers of the structure of DNA - that the three-letter code evolved from a simpler two-letter code, although Crick thought the difference in number was simply an accident “frozen in time”.

The University of Bath researchers suggest that the primordial ‘doublet’ code was read in threes - but with only either the first two ‘prefix’ or last two ‘suffix’ pairs of bases being actively read.

By combining arrangements of these doublet codes together, the scientists can replicate the table of amino acids - explaining why some amino acids can be translated from groups of 2, 4 or 6 codons. They can also show how the groups of water loving (hydrophilic) and water-hating (hydrophobic) amino acids emerge naturally in the table, evolving from overlapping ‘prefix’ and ‘suffix’ codons.

“When you evolve our theory for a doublet system into a triplet system, you get an exact match up with the number and range of amino acids we see today,” said Dr van den Elsen, who has worked with Dr Stefan Babgy and Huan-Lin Wu on the theory.

“This simple theory explains many unresolved features of the current genetic code. No one has ever been able to do this before, so we are very excited.”

The theory also explains how the structure of the genetic code maximises error tolerance. For instance, ‘slippage’ in the translation process tends to produce another amino acid with the same characteristics, and explains why the DNA code is so good at maintaining its integrity.

“This is important because these kinds of mistakes can be fatal for an organism,” said Dr van den Elsen. “None of the older theories can explain how this error tolerant structure might have arisen.”

The new theory also highlights two amino acids that can be excluded from the doublet system and are likely to be relatively recent ‘acquisitions’ by the genetic code. As these amino acids - glutamine and asparagine - are unable to hold their shape in high temperatures, this suggests that heat prevented them from being acquired by the code at some point in the past.

One possible reason for this is that the Last Universal Common Ancestor (LUCA), which evolved into all life on earth, lived in a hot sulphurous pool or thermal vent. As it moved into cooler conditions, it was able to take up these two additional amino acids and evolve into more complex organisms. This provides further evidence for the debate on whether life emerged from a hot or cold primordial soup.

“There are still relics of a very old simple code hidden away in our DNA and in the structures of our cells,” said Dr van den Elsen, who points to several aminoacyl-tRNA synthetases - molecules involved in protein synthesis - which only look at pairs of bases in triplet codons, as well as other physical evidence in support of the theory.

“As the code evolved it has been possible for it to adapt and take on new amino acids. Whether we could eventually reach a full complement of 64 amino acids I don’t know, a compromise between amino acid vocabulary and its error minimising efficiency may have fixed the genetic code in its current format. “

These are *fascinating* findings. The actual paper can be found at: Evolution of the Genetic Triplet Code via Two Types of Doublet Codons
1,174 posted on 08/03/2005 2:36:34 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Dimensio
[Now go worship at your local scientist lab.]

Scientists don't "worship" science. Science labs are not places of worship. Is your cause so totally devoid of any merit that you have to resort to such inane attempts at ridicule?

Perhaps it's just a case of the old adage, "when the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail." Maybe folks who look to religion for every answer, can't imagine anyone doing any activity in any other manner.

1,175 posted on 08/03/2005 2:39:59 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon

That is fascinating. Don't expect it to have much in the way of influence on the usual suspects, though.


1,176 posted on 08/03/2005 3:24:22 AM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: Ichneumon

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke


1,177 posted on 08/03/2005 3:27:57 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Analog Artist
"my lot" invents and pioneers a vast number of applications that your ungrateful lot shamelessly uses . . .

Ultimately evil serves for good in spite of itself. That's the way it oughta be. Thanks for helping me out while remaining oblivious to where you came from and where you are going.

1,178 posted on 08/03/2005 4:18:06 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Dimensio
... the ID pushers realise that ID isn't science, so rather than adjust ID, they just want to redefine science and claim, using the revised definition, that ID is just as "valid" an explanation as evolution.

ID is not the only fringe movement to exploit that tactic. I think they got the idea from the sodomites.

ID is to science what gay marriage is to marriage.

1,179 posted on 08/03/2005 4:29:32 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: Ichneumon

Very interesting stuff. Thanks for the ping.


1,180 posted on 08/03/2005 4:46:08 AM PDT by WildHorseCrash
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