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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 11
Various News Outlets | 7/29/05

Posted on 07/29/2005 7:28:13 AM PDT by TexKat

Natalee Holloway is shown in this undated family photo. (AP Photo/family photo)


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aruba; beth; carloscharlies; deepak; disappear; everyoneschild; greta; joran; kalpoes; keystonekops; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway; richwhitepretty; satish; sybil; twitty; womensissue
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To: theophilusscribe

Concerning your post about the missing dealer-->

Shango said to talk to the dicemen. Could this person be the dicemen he was talking about? I posted a similar post to you on the previous thread.


201 posted on 07/29/2005 2:01:15 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: Sacajaweau

Yeah, seemed strange to me, too, but I think it was said it would be used there per Greta's interview with the expert. I could be wrong on that point, so don't take it as fact.


202 posted on 07/29/2005 2:04:07 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: the Deejay

Lady Deejay: Post 1326-either thread 9 or 10. Read post by Breezy. Be Sure and click all blue lettering. Great map also. I do not yet know how to do the fancy footwork.


203 posted on 07/29/2005 2:10:27 PM PDT by Li-Li (Induct Roger Maris into the Baseball Hall Of Fame)
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To: monkeywrench

""I know I read somewhere, that he went home to his wife in columbia. I believe he was a reporter.""

Didn't he (Sergio) disappear either the same day as the man was found with throat slit at the cemetary, or a few days before? Who knows if the information you heard was true or not. The wife of the murderered man was arrested for his murder, which I found to be strange. She was probably framed, imo.

For an island with practically no crime(riiight), Aruba sure has had a bunch of it, since Natalee went missing.


204 posted on 07/29/2005 2:11:08 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: Former

That would be the idea.


205 posted on 07/29/2005 2:13:19 PM PDT by uncitizen
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To: TexKat

" I sure would like to know who this Shango is. I also believe that Dirty Hands is Ben Vocking (Ben King).""

That's interesting, TexKat. Especially since PVDS is currently living with King, IIRC.


206 posted on 07/29/2005 2:13:44 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: the Deejay
DJ...

You are right about almost everything we learn comes from rumors. It all depends on which rumors people wish to believe in or which rumors are proved to be false.

Many rumors are found to be false rumors, like the yellow house with the pool due to elli1 finding the front picture of that house in which I and few others considered it to possibly be the home the VDS's vacated - The first web site that had the home on it (linked from blogger site, never listed the house number nor a picture of the front of the house - elli1 found the same house on another web site late Wednesday night which included the address and several pictures of the home that were not on the first site.

As of now there is a rumor out there that VDS owns or has access to a condo near the TRC (The Racquet Club), so far no one has figured out if this rumor is fact or not. I believe TexKat is on the lookout for more information on this "condo" story.
207 posted on 07/29/2005 2:15:08 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: theophilusscribe; RGVTx; TexKat; All

It takes about six months for a deceased person to be placed on the Social Security death list.

Maybe the missing persons list goes through the same bureaurocratic paperwork and Natalee will show up on the list eventually.


208 posted on 07/29/2005 2:18:25 PM PDT by Lucy Lake
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Frou Frou
The posts that you cited were dated just yesterday, July 28.
I don't think she has been moved at all.
Why should she be? Hiding spot has obviously been working beautifully for them. If "others" are hidden in there with her than the location has been tried and true. They aren't even worried.
I'm sure that access to that underground room is well guarded as a matter of fact. The closest I've seen to this was an older rumor that she was being held (alive) in a crawlspace under a Hotel or casino.
209 posted on 07/29/2005 2:23:28 PM PDT by bolta_lightnin (*Warning* This thread has just been haunted.)
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To: stlnative

Jossy could find out for sure if they
have a condo &/or membership at the
club. Jossy seems to find out what
he wants to find out.


210 posted on 07/29/2005 2:27:20 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: RGVTx
Maybe it would help if you see the post I was originally responding to, so here it is.

I knew what you were referring to. I'm just not up to date about the governmental split hairs of the FBI missing person's list. Sorry, RGVTx. I did a quick search, but could not find the criterion used to put a person on the FBI list.

I can tell you that there is a Scared Monkey's discussion about it here: http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1858
Many people there have been talking about the exact same thing. . .


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Dan

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:38 pm    

I believe this shows the ship IS based in the US, thus it appears the Senator is right.

2001 Royal Caribbean International signed an agreement with the Port of Galveston to operate the Rhapsody of the Seas from Galveston Island for five years beginning in April 2002.
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Hope that helps . . .

211 posted on 07/29/2005 2:27:47 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: bolta_lightnin
I've seen to this was an older rumor that she was being held (alive) in a crawlspace under a Hotel or casino.

Has anyone checked the basement of C&C's!? (/sarcasm)

212 posted on 07/29/2005 2:30:01 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: pamlet
Yet they can't get the durn thing drained because of the sea water seeping in? Wouldn't it always be a layer of muck due to the sea water?

Excellent question. I was wondering the same thing!

213 posted on 07/29/2005 2:31:32 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: the Deejay

Yeah... even if he has to break a few legs to get this info out of someone. LOL

Actually Jossy acted like he knew very little about the Racquet Club business last light on FOX. He did say it was a private club (pay to be a member).


214 posted on 07/29/2005 2:34:37 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: the Deejay

>Has anyone checked the basement of C&C's!? (/sarcasm)
ACK! visions of a really nasty, sticky floor down there


215 posted on 07/29/2005 2:36:25 PM PDT by bolta_lightnin (*Warning* This thread has just been haunted.)
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To: Rippersnapper

Go figure..?!

I wonder how it's going at the landfill... so much time has passed...


216 posted on 07/29/2005 2:37:31 PM PDT by pamlet
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To: stlnative

What I meant was, they surely have
a state/city/county reccords
dept., which lists owners of
properties.

Joss seems to have connections
everytwhere in Aruba.


217 posted on 07/29/2005 2:37:41 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: grizzfan

That was not Sentor Shelby's reasoning. He says Amy was put on the missing persons list because she was on a US based cruise ship and Natalee was not placed on it because she was out of US jurisdiction.

My question is this...why was Amy considered within US jurisdiction if all cruise ships are not registered in the US? Since the point of not registering in the US is to keep the cruise ships outside of US jurisdiction. How does being based within the US cause the US laws to kick in? My understanding is that where the cruise ship is based does not matter, especially once they leave their US based port.

Another words, taking a cruise on any US based cruise ship is considered as being outside of the US and US laws because none of the cruise ships are registered in the US.


218 posted on 07/29/2005 2:38:53 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: bolta_lightnin
visions of a really nasty, sticky floor down there

DOWN THERE? The main floor probably would blow us away! HAHAHA!!

219 posted on 07/29/2005 2:39:40 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: Pepper777

To be honest Pepper777, I'm not really up on the Shango part of this story. I've heard a little about it. There was a whole lot of interpretation going on during a time when I was really bogged down with work, so I missed most of that.

Have you seen the Code Talker's Threads (http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1640 ) at Scared Monkeys? I found the following post there . . .

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Hopefloats

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:26 am    
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1858

I have followed the codetalkers thread and was around when Shango was posting his. One thing I found interesting that I haven't heard mention alot was in the one thread where Shango says " the dicemen knew Mary"
"Mary rolled , the dicemen rolled" I am not sure how much info has been givin to the FBI or the family about the Shango posts but if these "dicemen' are actual dice rollers. I wonder who might have been at the dice tables at any given time while Natalee was in the casinos that could have saw her and was more than just interested in a casual conversation. The blackjack tables are most often times right near the craps tables. These persons could very well be the reason that Natalee disappeared. Maybe Joran and the brothers were at the Raquetball club handing Natalee of and were there awaiting to get paid. I have always thought the dicemen part of the code was relevant now I think it might be very important to find out who was at the craps tables and could have known Natalee and arranged her disappearance if she is indeed missing.
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220 posted on 07/29/2005 2:46:15 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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