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America's Hiroshima: America's Date with Disaster - (take this seriously!
CHRONWATCH.COM ^ | JULY 26, 2005 | Barbara J. Stock

Posted on 07/25/2005 9:13:25 PM PDT by CHARLITE

Reports are slowly filtering out about a plan by Islamics to detonate several nuclear bombs around the continental United States. Osama bin Laden has lovingly named this attack “America’s Hiroshima.” His logic for giving his plan this name is that the United States is the only world power to use an atomic weapon against an enemy and based on that, it is legal and within Islamic law for him to use such weapons against the American people.

According to reports obtained from captured Al Qaeda agents and documents they were carrying, several nuclear devices may have been brought across the Mexican border with the help of the MS-13 gang and are already in position for use. All that is needed is the word from Al Qaeda to detonate them. The plan is to kill at least four million Americans in an instant. Osama has insisted that the bombs be placed in such a manner that at least two million of the dead are children. The “Day of Islam,” bin Laden believes, will be the day America surrenders to Islam.

The number of weapons has been in dispute. The Saudis claim that there may be as many as 70 bombs within the American border and the Russians say 40 bombs is more likely, and still others say there are as few as seven. What does not seem to be in question is that the bombs are here and the clock is ticking.

The smaller number is more feasible for many reasons. Nuclear bombs are not simple grenades, and they need constant and diligent maintenance. Each bomb is carefully cared for much like a mother hen tends to her eggs. It would be difficult for Islamic terrorists to keep 70 nuclear bombs functioning properly.

Then there is the secrecy matter to consider. Seventy bombs would need 70 groups of men to service the bombs and keep them in good repair. That is a lot of people to keep such a secret. Someone would spend an hour too long in a bar and let this secret slip out. In these times, someone bragging that he has a nuclear bomb in his basement would be noticed.

Last but not least is the fact that seven nuclear bombs might not be missed for some time, especially in the former Soviet Union. But 70 nuclear bombs vanishing would most certainly be noticed, even in the chaos of a corrupt Russia. It should also be noted that there are American teams in Russia assisting them to dismantle and maintain the Russian nuclear arsenal. Our men there would be able to report instantly if any were missing. Add to that the shear size of a single, multiple war-head nuclear bomb and it becomes obvious that it is unlikely that bin Laden has been able to obtain one of them. Moving such a thing about without being seen would be nearly impossible.

This leaves the Russian “suitcase nukes” and some of those do seem to be missing. American authorities have known about these small nuclear bombs for some time. Although the Russian government tried to deny them, pictures have surfaced and the Russians could no longer claim that these portable bombs were just a dream that never came to fruition. We now know that several of these small, tactical, nuclear bombs are missing and these handy, easy-to-carry bombs are ideal for bin Laden’s plans. Greedy and suddenly out-of-work Russian nuclear scientists were probably easy prey for the money bin Laden may have waved in front of them.

The possible target cities listed are: New York City, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Chicago, Miami, Washington D.C., and Boston. Surely, more than four million people would die if all seven of these large cities were struck simultaneously. This leads one to wonder if perhaps bin Laden plans on using only four bombs in the first wave.

Would bin Laden then demand that the United States surrender to Islam? Would he use the threat of the three remaining bombs to try and force the American people to accept Islam and abandon the Constitution? That is the ultimate goal of Islam as stated by the Council on American/Islamic Relations. Would bin Laden wait a day or two and detonate the remaining bombs just for the pure joy of killing? Only he knows.

It is said that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The last nation that thought it had gained the upper hand against the United States was Japan. After a very successful attack which destroyed much of America’s naval fleet, a sober Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto is said to have related to his crew that all Japan had succeeded in doing was awakening a sleeping giant and filling it with a terrible resolve. Yamamoto knew Americans and he understood the American mindset because he had lived and gone to school in the United States. In his heart, he knew that once Americans were angered and determined, Japan would lose the war it had started. Yamamoto was right.

It seems that Islam has not learned from history. Recently, the term “Muslim Nation” has been used on Islamic sites and in Islamic newspapers. Islam has no country. Islamics believe the world is their country and because young Muslims have been taught the entire world is the “Muslim Nation,” many have no loyalty to any true country.

Would a nuclear attack on America cause confusion, panic, and chaos? Of course, it would. But as every television screen played the images of a great city like Chicago lying in ruins and Americans saw the charred bodies of fellow Americans lying in the streets, the rage would be unlike anything the world has ever witnessed. Muslims in America would be overwhelmed in a heartbeat. American rage would reach across the world to the farthest corner and there is no one that would dare to try and stop us. Sane people would be too wise to interfere and truth be known, the world would wish America success because they know they would be next if we fail.

Islamic attacks around the world are on the rise and Islam feels bold and untouchable. Muslims who truly denounce this activity have little time left to stop their warlike fellow-Muslims. Trying to denounce radical Islam after a nuclear attack would be far too late. The time is now. It is Islam’s responsibility to rise up and stop the terrorists in its midst and stop the insanity.

If the killing continues, the civilzed world will rise up with America and that will be the end of the Islamic dream of world domination. It could well be the end of Islam.

I believe that Muslims may curse the name of bin Laden. It may well be the last thing many Muslims ever do. Islamics are constantly issuing warnings and threats to the world. They speak of blood running in the streets. That blood may well be their own. I hope that Islamics will listen to this one warning from an average American: “Muslims must stop radical Islam now because time is short and the nuclear fuse has been lit. Once the bomb goes off it will be too late.”

Comments: dickens502003@yahoo.com


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To: John Filson

Amen 10000000000000000000000000%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%5


201 posted on 07/27/2005 2:42:15 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: null and void

If they had killed 40k, destroyed the capital, and destroyed the pentagon, things would have been very very different.

I'm not saying 3000 was acceptable, but it could have been so much worse.


202 posted on 07/27/2005 2:46:05 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: Spottys Spurs; A CA Guy; concerned about politics
"From your mouth to God's ears! We have become so dam P-C, I doubt we have the "stones" to do it."
and...."Mecca should only be the starting point."

I agree. As Ann Coulter said in her recent article, we carpet bombed Dresden, Leipzig, Hamburg etc. That was WAR, and this is WAR.

I subscribe to the General George S. Patton philosophy. If he were alive today, and directing this global war on islamofascism, he would probably figure out how to simultaneously send the Marines to secure every single oil field of any consequence in Iran, Saudi Arabia and wherever else.........and then use tactical nukes on selected military targets in Iran.........demolish Damascus entirely, zap both Mecca AND Medina..........and then ask whomever is left standing in Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia if they would "like to talk now."

I simply do NOT EVER want to come anywhere NEAR seeing this in Washington, D.C.!! (for pete's sake!).....We have the arsenal to prevent it. Why aren't we using it?

Thanks for your comments, Spottys Spurs, aCA guy and concerned about politics!

Char (:

203 posted on 07/27/2005 2:46:14 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: CHARLITE

We can only hope that we respond with devastation and utter mayham.


204 posted on 07/27/2005 2:48:19 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: thoughtomator

"If such a thing happened, within 24 hours every Muslim in the USA - and perhaps many other countries as well - would be dead."


Perhaps a bit of an exaggeration, but not much.

That was one of the things I was trying to point out in my essay the other day, if the only option is deporting them all versus wholesale slaughter, it seemed to me that deporting them all was at least humane.


205 posted on 07/27/2005 2:53:19 PM PDT by djf (Government wants the same things I do - MY guns, MY property, MY freedoms!)
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To: CHARLITE
The plan is to kill at least four million Americans in an instant...

The “Day of Islam,” bin Laden believes, will be the day America surrenders to Islam.

I believe all usual visitors to FR are clearly aware of my uncompromising position towards Islam.

However, these two statements are so beyond the pale, so out of the realm of credibility that I refuse to believe that even Baghdad Bob would make them.

It is impossible to kill four million Americans in an instant with clandestine nuclear weapons. Period.
Even the most remote stellar distances chance of the United States of America surrendering to islam is absurd beyond rational belief.

The question then becomes, why would any sane person make such remarks? Who "gains" by circulating them? Who gains by repeating them?
This is mind-boggling; I just refuse to believe that even the most mentally challenged muslim would make those statements.

206 posted on 07/27/2005 3:11:04 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: CHARLITE
Would bin Laden wait a day or two and detonate the remaining bombs just for the pure joy of killing?

Not a chance. One shot is all he gets. The response would be immediate, massive beyond belief and all ancillary modern services that are in the employ of the terrorists instantly cut off: Satellite relays, Telephone services, the international portions of the internet, all means of transportation, every nook and cranny of it, down to leaky rowboats.

207 posted on 07/27/2005 3:19:15 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: CHARLITE

This sounds vaguely familiar ...

Claim: A high-ranking member of al-Qaeda revealed that the terrorist organization has already placed nuclear weapons in seven large American cities.

Status: False.

Example: [Asia Times, 2002]


Apocalypse Now, or Alottanukes Soon

November 15, 2002
By Pepe Escobar, THE ROVING EYE

At a time when a tape handed over to the Qatar-based Al-Jazeera television station has received widespread expose for its purported comments by Osama bin Laden in praise of recent terror events around the world, another al-Qaeda message released to the same station has received little coverage.

Al-Jazeera was granted an interview with one Mohammed al-Usuquf, allegedly al-Qaeda's number three. Al-Usuquf is said to be a doctor in physics and to hold a masters degree in international economics. A copy of the interview was sent to the prestigious Arab-language daily Al Quds Al Arabi, edited in London, but it was not printed. Asia Times Online has obtained a copy of the interview, and reproduces excerpts here, with the caveat that the identity of the man has not yet been confirmed, nor has his membership within al-Qaeda.

Al-Usuquf says that al-Qaeda's Kuwaiti spokesman, Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, and bin Laden himself, suggested that he grant the interview. Bin Laden, he says, is "alive and healthy, along with his commanders Mohammed Atef, Khalid Shaik Mohammed and Mullah Omar".

Al-Usuquf starts by criticizing Washington's disrespect of the Kyoto Protocol on climatic change, the International Criminal Court and the Palestinian cause, as well as the "financial greed" engendering speculative gains over Third World countries. He also criticizes the manner in which America wastes wealth, like US$80 billion a year on gambling. "They [have] lost the notion of spirituality and only live in sin."

For this reason, America must be destroyed, and al-Usuquf insists that "aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines and spy satellites will be worthless in the next war".

Al-Qaeda, according to him, has 5,000 first rank operatives and around 20,000 all over the world. Of all the prisoners in the US, only "20 or 30" are al-Qaeda, and all of them "second-rank". Confirming Asia Times Online information, he swears that there are no first-rank prisoners in Guantanamo in Cuba. Al-Usuquf says, "We have more than 500 first-rank and 800 second-rank [operatives] inside the US." "First rank" are considered ones that have lived in the US for more than 10 years, most of them married with children. "They have an idea about the plans, and they are just waiting for a call." "Second-rank" operatives arrived in the past five years and "have no idea about the plans". They are all willing to die.

Al-Usuquf insists that September 11 "was just the beginning. It was a way to call the world's attention to what's going to happen." He then details a plan to destroy the US by "attacking the heart of what they consider the most important thing in the world: money".

"The American economy is an economy of false appearances," says al-Usuquf. "There's no real economic weight. American GNP is something around $10 trillion, but only 1 percent comes from agriculture, and only 24 percent from industry. So 75 percent of its GNP comes from services, and most of it is financial speculation. For someone who understands economics, and apparently America's Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill does not, or cannot, the US as a whole behaves like an immense dot.com, and dollars are its stocks. The value of stocks from a given company is directly proportional to its profitability. When a company only provides services, but does not produce goods, the value of its stocks depends on its credibility. What I'm saying is if US credibility is affected, its stocks - the US dollar - will fall at tremendous speed, and the whole American economy will collapse."

Al-Usuquf is absolutely positive, "because, in a smaller scale, this is exactly what big financial conglomerates do with Third World countries to collect profits in one month that no Swiss bank would guarantee in four to five years". Al-Usuquf says that al-Qaeda could do the same by "provoking a deficit of $50 to 70 trillion, the equivalent to five to seven years of the GNP of the US". How? By "destroying America's seven largest cities and some other measures". The means? "Atomic bombs." Al-Usuquf's most startling revelation is that the bombs "won't be launched, they are already there". "Seven nuclear heads have already been positioned on American soil, before September 11, and they are ready to be detonated. Before September 11, American security was a fiasco, and even later, if we needed, we could position the bombs there. They arrived through seaports, as normal cargo. A nuclear head is not bigger than a fridge, so it can easily be camouflaged as one. Thousands of containers arrive at a seaport every day, and even with very efficient security, it's impossible to check and examine each one of them."

Al-Usuquf says that the bombs were bought on the black market: five from the former USSR and two from Pakistan. The five Russian heads "are from T-3 missiles, also known as RD-107, and their power is around 100 kilotons each, that is five times the Hiroshima bomb. The Pakistani ones are less powerful, something around 10 kilotons each."

Each of the Russian bombs would have cost around $200 million. Al-Qaeda was able to raise the money "because we have many sponsors. Many countries sponsor us, and also some very rich people." And not all of these are Arab countries. "Some European countries as well are also interested in the fall of the US." As to the "rich people", they are "people who are also tired of seeing the US bleeding the rest of the world."

And Iraq's Saddam Hussein, says Al-Usuquf, is not one of these people, "but just a collaborator, represented by Abdul Tawab Hawaish, his vice prime minister and responsible for Iraq's arms program".

Al-Usuquf says that the bombs cannot be detected by US authorities. "Even if they are old, they were modernized and are very well hidden. Even if they were located, they have autodetonation mechanisms in case something or someone gets close. Even an electromagnetic pulse is not capable of deactivating them." The bombs allegedly cannot be detected because "they are enveloped in thick layers of lead". They could be detonated "by various methods - cellphone call, radio frequency, seismic shock or by their regressive clock".

Al-Usuquf details the whole plan. "First, one head would be detonated, which would cause the deaths of 800,000 to 1 million people and a chaos never seen before. During this chaos, two or three planes, which are now disassembled inside barns near empty roads in the US countryside, would take off in suicide missions to pulverize another two or three big American cities with chemicals. Once the disease was identified, all seaports and airports would be quarantined. Land borders would also be closed. No plane, boat or car would enter or leave the US. This would be total chaos." The first target would be the city "that would offer the best conditions, for example bright sky and winds of eight or more miles an hour blowing towards the center of the country, so radioactive dust can contaminate the largest possible area".

This attack would not knock out the US, recognizes al-Usuquf, "But the process would be initiated. As with the World Trade Center, it would be just a question of time for the whole economic structure to be turned to dust. If the objectives are reached with one bomb and diseases, probably we will save the lives of other people, but it's risky, and probably six more bombs will be detonated, one a week, and more attacks with chemical weapons will be launched." According to estimates made by al-Usuquf "and Ayman al-Zawahiri", al-Qaeda's number 2, about 15 million people would die, victims of the bombs and the radiation. Among those contaminated by diseases, "25 percent will die, a figure around more than 5 million, plus many others due to the chaos and disorder".

Al-Usuquf does not fear an American military response. "Even if five or 10 cities are chosen at random to be destroyed, it will still be a small price to pay. The problem is that the economic despair will be so great that even if it saves [money] by not using weapons, American liquidity will be near zero, and the US will make more money selling a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier to Turkey or Italy for $5 billion, because they will urgently need to recapitalize. But it will be too late. Moreover, what will remain of an American soldier's morale to fight knowing that his whole family died and his country ceased to exist? To fight for what?"

The world economy would not collapse, says al-Usuquf, although "in the beginning, it will be very difficult. But without the US the world will soon rise in a more just and fraternal manner. Nothing can stop the plan."

And whatever America does, "it's too late". When will the attack begin? "I can't tell."

Origins:
The article quoted above gained prominence when it appeared on the web site of the Asia Times on 15 November 2002. Purportedly taken from an interview with a "Mohammed al-Usuquf," said to be the #3 man in the al-Qaeda terrorist network, the article alarmed many readers with revelations such as the claim that al-Qaeda has had nuclear weapons in place in seven large American cities for over a year and is merely waiting for the right time to detonate them. The Asia Times quickly pulled the article from their site and replaced it with a message stating that it "was based on an interview that appears to have been a hoax," but the story had already spread (and spread fear) widely by then. The exercise of a little journalistic prudence -- and some common sense — could have spared Asia Times some embarrassment and the public some needless worrying.

The interview this article was based upon claims as its provenance that it was an item "sent to Abel-Bari Atwan, chief editor of Al Quds, an Arabic-language newspaper published in London, but was never printed, due to its highly revealing [inflammatory?] contents. A copy of the interview came to Foz-do-Iguaçu, and was translated into Portuguese by a university professor in the city's Arab community. This is probably the only existing version of this interview not in Arabic." We hereby offer to budding journalists a few hints to avoiding some of the pitfalls the Asia Times walked straight into:

* You should consider the statement "This information has not been not published because it was considered too inflammatory" (or "too alarming") the equivalent of a big red neon sign blinking the word "HOAX" over and over. Newspapers fall all over themselves to get sensational stories into print, because that's what their audience craves. Neither newspapers nor the U.S. government itself has been circumspect about issuing a spate of warnings about impending terrorist attacks (including some of the "spectacular" variety) since the events of September 11, and Arab newspapers certainly don't shy away from "inflammatory" material either.

If this interview was truly "too revealing" (i.e., divulged too much of al-Qaeda's plans), then why did "Mohammed al-Usuquf," the supposedly high-ranking al-Qaeda lieutenant, give it in the first place? Are we supposed to believe this highly-educated, intelligent, and capable terrorist doesn't understand the concept of "secrecy"?

* You really shouldn't run an article whose source is a foreign language you don't understand unless you have a copy of the original text and you're especially confident of the translator. And you really shouldn't run an article that has already been translated once into a second language you don't understand, then re-translated. If this interview was really taken from a Portugeuse translation of an Arabic transcript, where are those other versions? Shouldn't verifying that they at least existed have been a basic step undertaken to determine that the interview wasn't a hoax before running this article? And even if the interview this article was based upon were genuine, how would we know whether the doubly-translated Arabic-to-Portuguese-to-English version bore any reliable resemblance to the meaning of the original?

* You should consider how incredibly foolish the "third-in-command of the Al Queda organization" would have to be to grant an interview in which he openly discussed al-Qaeda's plans for upcoming attacks, including details about where the attacks would be launched and what form they'd take, and providing information about the number of operatives already in place in the USA and characteristics that could help U.S. intelligence identify them.

* Most importantly, verify that your sources actually exist and are who they claim to be. The Asia Times stated flat out that they could do neither ("the identity of the man has not yet been confirmed, nor has his membership within al-Qaeda"), yet they ran the article anyway. Journalism doesn't get any more irresponsible than that.

It used to be a journalistic standard that every story had to be vetted by two reliable sources before being printed. Nowadays, unfortunately, some news outlets consider that to be two sources too many.

Last updated: 16 November 2002
http://snopes.com/rumors/nukes.htm


208 posted on 07/27/2005 3:21:43 PM PDT by sono
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To: CHARLITE
If the killing continues, the civilzed world will rise up with America and that will be the end of the Islamic dream of world domination. It could well be the end of Islam.

I disagree, totally.

The end of the islamic dream is already sealed. Deader than a doornail. There is no undoing New York, Madrid, London.

The only thing remaining to be seen is if Islam itself is about to slide into the pages of the "good riddance" chapter of human history.

209 posted on 07/27/2005 3:26:00 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: ex-Texan
At least half the nuclear weapons in the al-Qaida arsenal were obtained for cash from the Chechen terrorist allies.

Aren't these the clowns that Clinton sacrificed a few dozen American lives and mucho American weapons, including B2s, to save their sorry butts?

210 posted on 07/27/2005 3:30:08 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: COEXERJ145
This is just a rehash of the story that loony Joseph Farah has been pushing on WorldNutDaily for several weeks now.

To what end?
Any psychologists and psychiatrists among us today?

211 posted on 07/27/2005 3:31:15 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: A CA Guy
We have to have cause for such a grand scale response. We're the civilized ones.

Meaning exactly what, Oh unconscious one?

212 posted on 07/27/2005 3:34:21 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: sono; CBart95
"It used to be a journalistic standard that every story had to be vetted by two reliable sources before being printed. Nowadays, unfortunately, some news outlets consider that to be two sources too many."

Thanks for all of the hard work that you went to, sono, to post this exposé. I believe that "saber rattling" is just one of the techniques of these islamofascists, which is propaganda pure and simple.

I have read many knowledgeable comments on various threads here on FR, stating that nuclear materials & devices aren't simply carried around like articles in a picnic basket, to be casually detonated when "the order comes down" (presumably from a cold, dusty cave in Pakistan).

As I understand it, this stuff requires sophisticated maintenance and procedures.......which isn't to say that Al Qaeda doesn't have any such operators, but at least it tends to dispel the notion that people in "seven large American cities" are sitting around with their nuclear suitcase bombs stashed in a corner of their apartments, ready to walk out the door with them and down into a subway system, or into a mall.

I hope the experts are right about this. However, on the bad side, Bill Gertz, John Loftus and Steve Emerson are quite negative about the situation; i.e. they believe that it's not "if," but "when."

Thanks again for your efforts to clarify the facts surrounding this issue, sono.

Char (:

213 posted on 07/27/2005 3:36:37 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: steenkeenbadges
According to their own beliefs, the annihilation of Mecca would be the annihilation of Islam. If the ragheads use the nuclear option, Mecca is ground zero.

Why do I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone?

If you think that finding binLaden has been tough...

After telegraphing the move, does anyone believe for a millisecond that the sacred stone is still in place?

Hello?

Does anybody have a fr*****g clue what the Kaaba is? What is the essence of the place?
It's a bleeping rock!
Small enough for an average teenage girl to haul around. So long as it exists, islam exists, and if one maggot is left, islam lives.

Knowing the fraudulent history of the so called religion, it would not surprise me to find out that a dozen replicas have been made to resurrect the damned plague in 2050, 2250 or 2550.

214 posted on 07/27/2005 3:51:56 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: chris1
I'm not saying 3000 was acceptable, but it could have been so much worse.

And, sadly will be, before it's over.

215 posted on 07/27/2005 3:58:45 PM PDT by null and void (Be vewwy vewwy qwiet, we're hunting wahabbits...)
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To: datura
LOL!

Now that was mean!

Aren't those among the clueless who assumed that Tom Tancredo was the first individual to have thought of the obvious?

This is a good time to add...

At least a third of Americans -- native born Americans --- would, without hesitation, choose servitude under Islam and Shar'ia law to the alternative of fighting for their own freedom.
What of them?
They know who they are. Do the rest of us know?

216 posted on 07/27/2005 4:02:21 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: neverhome

"they would have used them by now."

Yep. this Paul Williams guy (I loved the short little mutant in "Phantom of the Paradise", didn't you?) is pitching a book- it's title has been changed to "Osama's Revenge" or something close to that. He was on Glenn Beck the other day, and really fumbled and dodged when confronted with the illogic of his proposition that a). the nukes have been here since before 9-11, and b). that Bin Laden would opt for high-jackings instead of just lighting the things off.

I think it's all B.S.


217 posted on 07/27/2005 4:07:03 PM PDT by Burr5
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To: CHARLITE
to be casually detonated when "the order comes down" (presumably from a cold, dusty cave in Pakistan).

Let's hope it's not from some neo-con cave where the whole event can be 'staged', and the likelyhood of pulling it off (technologically) is much better.

Before we embark on a new crusade, we'd better damn well know where the attack(s) came from. Then we flatten whoever's ass it might be (warning to all).

218 posted on 07/27/2005 4:18:44 PM PDT by budwiesest (I used to hit home-runs for fun. Today, I hit them out of necessity.)
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To: festus
Russia would not stand idly by and let us obliterate the oilfields that they need as much as us. So they would order us to stand down.

It is almost reason to cry to grasp the enormity of the average American's ignorance.

We could set off a thousand nukes on Saudi Arabia alone and leave the oil fields unscratched.
There would be no reason whatsoever for the Soviets to freak about anything. And since we are the masters at air bursts (minimum radiation, maximum damage) even the fallout is survivable.

Of course it would be horrific, but the actual globe is a lot lot bigger than the ignorant can imagine, and the actual use of nukes a lot more puny than they have nightmares about.

219 posted on 07/27/2005 4:23:02 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: sono

How timely. Thanks. Apparently, it's B.S. based on the claims you've reminded us of in your post.

The funniest one, I think, is this rag-head saying nukes are easily smuggled while disguised as refrigerators, and then asserting that they are undetectable because they are covered with several thick layers of lead. And you thought they don't make appliances as sturdy as they used to. Hey, Abbot! This is one HEAVY refrigerator!


220 posted on 07/27/2005 4:23:55 PM PDT by Burr5
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