1 posted on
07/25/2005 12:15:26 AM PDT by
abu afak
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2 posted on
07/25/2005 12:17:59 AM PDT by
abu afak
(abuafak@yahoo.ie)
To: abu afak
bump for later, thanks; lots of timely material here
To: abu afak
Interesting stuff. Thanks.
4 posted on
07/25/2005 12:22:16 AM PDT by
adaven
To: abu afak
Thank you abu afak for the ping.
I'm always interested in history.
5 posted on
07/25/2005 12:26:59 AM PDT by
Cindy
To: abu afak
Well dang -- I'll be.
I remember reading the biography of Stephen Decatur as a kid, and his adventures defeating the pirates.
I don't recall them mentioning that this was a religious war, with the Christian Americans fighting the Islamic Terrorists who thought they could go to heaven by killing Christians, and with the Americans having to save the European backsides.
Somethings never change. And somethings never seem to get reported honestly.
7 posted on
07/25/2005 12:58:25 AM PDT by
ThePythonicCow
(To err is human; to moo is bovine.)
To: abu afak
8 posted on
07/25/2005 12:59:13 AM PDT by
nopardons
To: abu afak
Cartoons by Bentley Boyd
9 posted on
07/25/2005 1:04:54 AM PDT by
endthematrix
("an ominous vacancy"...I mean, JOHN ROBERTS now fills this space!)
To: abu afak
The Muslim faith took root in northwestern Africa in the seventh century, and for generations the region served as a base for piracy the looting and confiscation of ships as well as the murder of crew members. The more things change the more they remain the same. ROP alert.
12 posted on
07/25/2005 1:19:28 AM PDT by
konaice
To: abu afak
I thought that the Barbary pirates took Americans as slaves.
17 posted on
07/25/2005 3:40:04 AM PDT by
tkathy
(Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
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18 posted on
07/25/2005 3:45:35 AM PDT by
Jackknife
(No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in its preservation.-MacArthur)
To: abu afak
" the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli declared the United States religious neutrality, in an attempt to prevent further escalation of a Holy War between Christians and Muslims. Article XI of the treaty states that the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion . . . it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of [Muslims]. But the 1797 treaty failed"
No surprise there.
To: abu afak
We need another General Black Pershing ! Time to dip our bombs and bullets in pig blood and use them on these terrorists and deny them their so-called 72 virgins.
To: abu afak
Just like today, the terrorism is set in a framework of religion, but grows fat from booty. My guess is if we removed the financial incentives to terrorism, we would have much greater results than our attempts to convince bloodthirsty pirates that theirs is a religion of peace.
Why are we giving Palestinian Terrorists money?
23 posted on
07/25/2005 5:04:34 AM PDT by
American in Israel
(A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
To: abu afak
Interesting. Thanks for posting.
24 posted on
07/25/2005 5:23:24 AM PDT by
nsmart
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Jefferson's challenge resembles President Bush's modern-day dilemma. Like today's terrorists, the 19th-century pirates also were Muslims with an animosity toward Christians dating back to the Crusades.
This lie has been used over and over by the pseudocons to justify their war in Iraq. Jefferson never used the Barbary pirates as an excuse to topple foreign governments, to engage in nation-building or to spread democracy across the globe. Upon congressional authorization, he took specific action against a specific enemy for a specific purpose, that being the defense of the United States.
26 posted on
07/25/2005 5:44:22 AM PDT by
sheltonmac
("Duty is ours; consequences are God's." -Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson)
To: abu afak
"It may seem like the terrorist war against the United States is only a few weeks old," I just don't get this sentence. Who thinks terrorism against the US is only weeks old?
29 posted on
07/25/2005 9:25:33 AM PDT by
TheOtherOne
(I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed™)
To: abu afak
raiding ships to take booty, does not constitute hatred of a nation.
31 posted on
07/25/2005 9:26:45 AM PDT by
bigsigh
To: abu afak
Jefferson was so bad. He got America into a quagmire in North Africa and then declared the mission accomplished. Why didn't we just "negotiate" and pay tribute like the Europeans???
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33 posted on
07/25/2005 9:35:17 AM PDT by
EdReform
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To: abu afak
Article XI of the treaty states that the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion . . . it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of [Muslims]. This line, as I understand it was an unauthorized addition by one of the diplomats tangentially involved in the negotiation of the treaty. He might have been merely the scribe.
In any event, it's remarkable that no on caught the embarrassing addition to all the copies of the treaty for decades!
42 posted on
07/25/2005 12:27:18 PM PDT by
Publius6961
(Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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