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Dean: 'We need to welcome pro-life Democrats'
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | July 24, 2005 | Devlin Barrett

Posted on 07/24/2005 10:42:32 AM PDT by Graybeard58

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To: Graybeard58
How can they welcome pro-life Democrats but then attack Republicans for being pro-life?
81 posted on 07/24/2005 12:16:38 PM PDT by PMCarey
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To: pa mom
I'm with you. I don't like abortion or the death penalty

Well, that makes at least three of us.

82 posted on 07/24/2005 12:18:14 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: burzum
"I think both parties are wrong on these aspects. Abortion is wrong and the death penalty is wrong for the same reason (and you can also group in euthanasia and suicide): humans don't have the right to grant life or take it away. That is God's power alone."

God was very specific in giving law that required the execution of murderers.  God never gave such a law ordaining abortion.  These are completely separate issues.  The execution of murderers is the fulfillment of the law God gave.  God didn't stutter when giving the law.  The law didn't leave any gray area for murder.  God did allow exceptions for accidental killings, manslaughter for instance, and self-defense.

There are many Christian based churches that have taken a stance against the execution of murderers, yet Jesus Christ, even when nailed to the cross never asked that the criminals on either side of Him be released from their sentences.  He did show that the criminal can be forgiven, but must still face the sentence proscribed by law.

83 posted on 07/24/2005 12:18:33 PM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: PMCarey

That's one of the reasons that I would like to see abortion out of the public forum once and for all.

Do we really have to line up on one issue?


84 posted on 07/24/2005 12:19:01 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: Graybeard58

Four


85 posted on 07/24/2005 12:19:37 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (fiat voluntas Tua)
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To: Graybeard58

It seems consistant to me. I was pro dp in my formative years. One day I heard someone talking with such vengence in their voice about the dp and I realized then and there it didn't fit with my religious and moral values.


86 posted on 07/24/2005 12:20:44 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: Graybeard58

In other news today:

Adolph Hitler today proclaimed, "We need more Jews in the party! C'mon, we aren't so bad. All that stuff I said about killing you all....just a joke!"


87 posted on 07/24/2005 12:21:09 PM PDT by samm1148
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Howard sounds like Grouch Marx when he was schmoozing a woman with words. " How could a woman with your MONEY and talent and MONEY and looks and MONEY and personality and MONEY and brains not be desirable"?

How could a voter with your VOTE and principles and VOTE and convictions and VOTE and sincerity and VOTE and concern and VOTE not be desirable?

These people are schizophrenic!!

88 posted on 07/24/2005 12:21:21 PM PDT by oldpath (Before we fix social security, let's find who broke it, and fix them, so it can't be broken again)
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To: Graybeard58

He's right: Emily's List should accept pro-lifers money, too.


89 posted on 07/24/2005 12:21:38 PM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: andyk
He said "We are not the pro-abortion party.",

"We believe women should have the right to choose" to kill their babies.
90 posted on 07/24/2005 12:22:14 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: antipol
Why punish a man for theft, just forgive!

Exactly, forgive and use government power only when you need to protect the public. This is what Romans 13 describes.

But you only mentioned part of Romans 13. The core point of Romans 13 is that "love is the fulfilling of the law." I don't see how revenge and hate trumps love in Romans 13.

91 posted on 07/24/2005 12:23:39 PM PDT by burzum
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To: Graybeard58

I other words, he's saying that they need to abandon the "right to choose" crowd.


92 posted on 07/24/2005 12:25:26 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: burzum
"Please cite passages where Jesus is for and against revenge. I think that will help clear up your argument. "

No that would NOT clear up the argument. But it does tell me how confused you are about the issues. The death penalty is not revenge (though it may be construed that way in some peoples minds).

93 posted on 07/24/2005 12:26:26 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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To: BipolarBob
The death penalty, euthanasia, suicide, and abortion are all the same issue. The Bible does not cite directly abortion or euthanasia (or the death penalty in my controversial opinion). But it does make clear that life is a gift from God. The key point in all of these issues is the respect for that gift. Being humans we do not have the ability to questions God's Will (nor should we).
94 posted on 07/24/2005 12:32:54 PM PDT by burzum
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To: Graybeard58

He has no problem lying, he is the perfect democrat.


95 posted on 07/24/2005 12:34:56 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: burzum

The bible does not cite the death penalty? Either you are joking or a biblically illiterate imbecile. Go read Numbers chapter 36, just for starters.,


96 posted on 07/24/2005 12:40:17 PM PDT by scott says
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To: BipolarBob
"The death penalty is not revenge"

I agree.  I can see how some people would seek the death penalty for the purpose of revenge, but God specifically ordered the death penalty for certain crimes, and the law must be obeyed.  This is why we try to have impartial juries hear these cases rather then allow bereaved family and friends decide the case.  We do this to eliminate the revenge factor.

97 posted on 07/24/2005 12:41:17 PM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: burzum
"Being humans we do not have the ability to questions God's Will (nor should we).

I do not wish for this debate to continue. But I will say you do not have the Scriptures on your side. The Word of God supports the idea of law by the governments. It does not support anarchy. The government/juries have the power to inflict the death penalty for capital crimes. This is to serve as a deterrent to other would-be murderers to re-consider. Also people on death row can consider their crimes and their relationship with the Almighty. When faced with death - some (but not all) repent and are saved. That is a good thing. But they should still pay the full due of their actions.

98 posted on 07/24/2005 12:41:24 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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To: scott says

I suspect burzum is a troll. Noone can be that far off base if they actually read The Bible.


99 posted on 07/24/2005 12:45:58 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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To: BipolarBob

At least three others here agree with him, are we all trolls, too? Or we have to be lockstep to be here?


100 posted on 07/24/2005 12:47:14 PM PDT by pa mom
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