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Dead Boys Alive in Trunk for 17 Hours
FOXNews.com ^ | 7/19/2005 | Associated Press

Posted on 07/19/2005 9:34:10 AM PDT by AbeKrieger

CAMDEN, N.J. — Three boys who suffocated in a car trunk last month were alive for at least 17 hours, slowly succumbing while police searched their neighborhood, a lawyer for the family of one of the boys says. Lawyer Peter M. Villari told The New York Times that officials of the Camden County prosecutor's office went over details of an autopsy report with him, the newspaper reported Tuesday. The boys, ages 5, 6 and 11, disappeared from the yard where they were playing a little after 5 p.m. on June 22. Their deaths were ruled accidental. Relatives searched for the boys for three hours and then called authorities. A two-day search that included dogs, helicopters and boats on the nearby Delaware River ended when the father of one of the boys found them dead in the trunk of an inoperable car sitting just feet from where they had been playing. The autopsy report, which has not been released publicly, found that the boys died between 10:30 a.m. on June 23 and 2:30 a.m. on June 24, Villari said. That estimate was based on fluid and tissue samples and weather data, he said. Villari told the newspaper that responsibility for the deaths is now "squarely on the shoulders of the police." "I think the numbers speak for themselves," he said. "They were certainly alive when the police arrived and certainly well after the search started." Villari did no immediately return a call seeking additional comment Tuesday. The prosecutors' office had no immediate comment.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: camden; missing; police; suffocation
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To: linkinpunk

We have already come to the conclusion that it is impossible for cops to search the trunk of a car witout having x-ray vision or ESP. "

Really. Because I can do it, I use a key, that I get from whoever owns the car. I opne the trunk, AND I THEN LEAVE IT OPEN. No super powers needed.


101 posted on 07/19/2005 11:02:16 AM PDT by Xiaoding
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To: new cruelty
What's priceless is that, given the stats made up, you don't think one is necessary.

They were probably talking to the mother as they all stood next to the car. It was in front of the house.

If the mother and everybody in the neighborhood missed them, why is it the cops' fault?

102 posted on 07/19/2005 11:03:35 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws spawned the runaway federal health care monopoly and fund terrorism.)
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To: Steelerfan
new cars come with trunk releases you can open from the inside. It may be required by NTSA now.

Oh, I didn't know this - that's a good thing, though that car was an older model.

Hopefully no nearby car trunk would ever be overlooked again after these awful deaths.

103 posted on 07/19/2005 11:03:35 AM PDT by SunnyUsa (No man really becomes a fool until he stops asking questions.)
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To: Xiaoding
"Really. Because I can do it, I use a key, that I get from whoever owns the car. I opne the trunk, AND I THEN LEAVE IT OPEN. No super powers needed."

And if you don't know/can't find the owner?
104 posted on 07/19/2005 11:03:50 AM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Are you aware that the police searched the vehicle?


105 posted on 07/19/2005 11:04:12 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: Xiaoding; AbeKrieger
We have already come to the conclusion that it is impossible for cops to search the trunk of a car witout having x-ray vision or ESP. "

Really. Because I can do it, I use a key, that I get from whoever owns the car. I opne the trunk, AND I THEN LEAVE IT OPEN. No super powers needed.

Shazzam!

(not so hard is is AK)

106 posted on 07/19/2005 11:06:30 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If the mother and everybody in the neighborhood missed them, why is it the cops' fault?

Since they are paid professionals, they are held to a higher standard than the general public.

If a cop was told to search the car and failed to search the trunk, then I think this is terrible negligence on his part-was this a stated fact of this case?

It could be negligence by ommission, if it's deemed a reasonable search by LE would've looked in that trunk....

I do think the insurance carrier for Camden will be looking to settle this case.

107 posted on 07/19/2005 11:06:45 AM PDT by SunnyUsa (No man really becomes a fool until he stops asking questions.)
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To: new cruelty
Are you aware that the police searched the vehicle?

Are you aware that it was unlocked and ANYONE could have searched it?

108 posted on 07/19/2005 11:06:57 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws spawned the runaway federal health care monopoly and fund terrorism.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If the mother and everybody in the neighborhood missed them, why is it the cops' fault?

I am not casting blame solely on the police. The parents should have thought to search the immediate area as well, including every nook and cranny they could get to. My point is that once the police began conducting a search, they should have re-traced every nook and cranny the parents had already searched. That they overlooked the trunk indicates someone was not doing a very good job.

109 posted on 07/19/2005 11:08:12 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: tfecw
Can the cops start poking around in people's cars and houses looking for kids with out a warrant? If my neighbors kids go missing while I'm at work, are the cops allowed to pop my trunk and/or search my home?

I don't know about all the legalities of police searches regarding children. In this particular incident the car the kids were found in was on the property of one of the dead kids.
110 posted on 07/19/2005 11:08:12 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: tfecw

If the officer who was given the task of searching the car, couldn't get into the trunk, it should have been reported.

What was the response from his superior?

There should be a trail of evidence.


111 posted on 07/19/2005 11:08:34 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: SunnyUsa
I do think the insurance carrier for Camden will be looking to settle this case.

Well of course.

When don't they?

112 posted on 07/19/2005 11:08:46 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws spawned the runaway federal health care monopoly and fund terrorism.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

ANYONE including the police.


113 posted on 07/19/2005 11:09:28 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: new cruelty
My point is that once the police began conducting a search, they should have re-traced every nook and cranny the parents had already searched.

So as soon as a parent reports a missing child, the police are to drop everything else and look for that child until he/she is found?

114 posted on 07/19/2005 11:10:05 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws spawned the runaway federal health care monopoly and fund terrorism.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If it had been your son in that car, and you never thought to look in the car, and you call the police - and they are now taking charge of the search....would you not be upset that they may have searched the car but didn't try the trunk, which was unlocked?

I can't imagine LE in Camden is not sick about the outcome of this case.....

115 posted on 07/19/2005 11:10:07 AM PDT by SunnyUsa (No man really becomes a fool until he stops asking questions.)
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To: AbeKrieger

How horrible....just awful!!! Sickens' me. Poor babies.


116 posted on 07/19/2005 11:10:20 AM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: linkinpunk

Those Camden cops were total idiots, not to look in the trunk when they walked all around the car.


117 posted on 07/19/2005 11:10:30 AM PDT by Palladin (America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
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To: new cruelty
ANYONE including the police.

Including the MOMMY with the junk death trap car in her front yard.

So your contention is that when a missing child call is made, the police are to drop everything else until they find the child?

118 posted on 07/19/2005 11:11:28 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws spawned the runaway federal health care monopoly and fund terrorism.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Okay, the police are not at fault for this. They were busy with other stuff. Sheesh.


119 posted on 07/19/2005 11:11:35 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
insurance carrier for Camden will be looking to settle this case.

you missed my point - the families have a very good case.

120 posted on 07/19/2005 11:12:14 AM PDT by SunnyUsa (No man really becomes a fool until he stops asking questions.)
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