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Bias against Southerners misses the mark
Pasco Times ^ | July 11, 2005 | RICHARD COX

Posted on 07/14/2005 6:10:21 AM PDT by robowombat

Bias against Southerners misses the mark By RICHARD COX Published July 11, 2005

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Does prejudice exist in Pasco County, an area with a very diverse population and seemingly very progressive?

I am certain that African-Americans, Hispanics and people from other countries, the poor and homeless, as well as members of certain religious faiths, experience treatment different from the mainstream populace. However, I am a member of a minority who has experienced attitudes and reactions from many individuals who assume that I am intellectually and socially challenged.

A very large percentage of the population of New Port Richey in particular is from the Northeast. I personally like the outspokenness, mince-no-words attitude, the ability to criticize as well as accept criticism without being offended, that seems to represent the culture in which Northerners grew up.

My family members seem to have the disadvantage of being born and living most of our lives in the South, in our case, Tennessee. I grew up in Knoxville, a city that many people seem to associate only with the fanatical behavior of our college football fans, and my wife is from a small city near Chattanooga.

There still seems to be a stereotype that some people associate with Tennesseans. When those individuals heard the distinct accent of my wife, my stepdaughter, and myself, it seemed to conjure up that redneck image one might associate with the humor of Jeff Foxworthy and other Southern comedians. That image is of a culture of ignorant hillbillies (certainly due to inbreeding!), barefoot, living in a shack with no indoor plumbing (but certainly an outhouse in back), having a dog living under the front porch, and owning an overgrown lawn populated with broken-down, dilapidated automobiles. And, yes, we all chew tobacco and sit on the front porch swing playing the banjo. Everyone also flies a Confederate flag and reminisces about the War Between the States.

I first noticed this attitude when my stepdaughter, an honor student, came home from middle school several days in tears because several other students harassed her daily, calling her an ignorant redneck and hillbilly among other derogatory terms. My wife and I have experienced the sudden change in facial expressions from many when they hear our accent. They seem to associate our accent with ignorance, and speak in simpler terms so that we can understand what they are saying. Telephone conversations often produce the same reaction.

I beg to differ. Tennessee is the home of several major universities, four major metropolitan areas with all the drug and gang problems associated with other large cities, and the most visited national park in the United States. Oak Ridge, in the Knoxville area, probably has as high a percentage of residents with doctorate degrees as any city in the United States. Tennessee has a musical heritage equal to none, and it is not exclusively country or bluegrass genres. Many nationally prominent politicians are from my home state, including three former presidents.

Tennessee has produced many famous musicians, actors, scientists and other intellectual and talented natives.

Well, to set the story straight, rural areas of most states have their own populace and dwellings that approach this stereotype.

My wife and I grew up in your average suburban neighborhoods, we both graduated from major universities and had successful professional careers, and, to risk seeming boastful, are probably as intelligent and knowledgeable, if not more so, than the average American. Believe it or not, East Tennessee, the section of the state we are from, fervently supported the Union during the Civil War.

I have noticed in the Pasco Times notices of meetings for various groups from areas of the Northeast and from other countries. Perhaps Southerners in our area should form a similar group. With apologies to an African-American group with a similar title, we could call our group the NAASF, the National Association for the Advancement of Southern Folks, Pasco County Branch. I hope there are enough local Southern residents available to attract to our organization.

--Richard Cox, a retired middle school science teacher and department head, lives in New Port Richey


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: accent; bigotry; dixie; greatname; pasco; tennessee; thesouth
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To: luckystarmom

I have a friend who is living in Geneva Switzerland where many folks do not live with air conditioning. My friend gets miserable with the heat. I was very surprised.


41 posted on 07/14/2005 8:06:14 AM PDT by peacebaby
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To: robowombat

Don't worry your little mind,honey. The President of the United States has done pretty well for himself after being transplanted to Texas which is a close enough neighbor to the South to have him "misunderestimated" regarding his mental acuity, and he continues leaving his opponents in a state of confused defeat at the end of the day. You must learn to be gracious, like your mama said, and allow them to believe that they know more than we do, bless their hearts.


42 posted on 07/14/2005 8:08:36 AM PDT by LucyJo
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To: robowombat

I have deep rural Southern roots. Even though I have been gone from the South for a number of years I still retain my Southern twang. As soon as I start speaking around a group of Yankees I see the smirks of superiority. They are sure they are in the presence of an ignorant, gun-toting, knuckle-dragging hillbilly. They soon learn that I have more education than two of them put together. I speak three languages besides English, and my research has been cited in a scholarly work by a distinguished historian.

Let the Yankees be smug and act superior if it makes them feel better. By the way, the current occupant of the White House has a Texas accent, not a Boston Brahmin accent.


43 posted on 07/14/2005 8:08:52 AM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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To: Red Badger

I love your tagline...

South Carolina...the original rebel.


44 posted on 07/14/2005 8:15:34 AM PDT by Blue Scourge (Team Charleston...second to none...)
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To: Blue Scourge

We just had DENNIS and IVAN last Sept. My freezer is clean and so is my yard (except for the huge pile of brush that used to be my trees awaiting pickup from the county).......


45 posted on 07/14/2005 8:18:23 AM PDT by Red Badger (HURRICANES: God's way of telling you it's time to clean out the freezer...............)
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To: peacebaby; All

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46 posted on 07/14/2005 8:19:36 AM PDT by Blue Scourge (Team Charleston...second to none...)
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To: Red Badger

Yeah...I've had my fair share of hurricaines.

I was in Charleston for Hugo, and on the Outer Banks for those four that hit during the 90's.


47 posted on 07/14/2005 8:20:52 AM PDT by Blue Scourge (Team Charleston...second to none...)
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To: robowombat
Yep. I saw this when I left Virginia to do work on my Masters Degree in Geology on a NSF grant. The minute you spoke they treated you as being dumber than Cooter.

Unfortunately, the only exposure most of those Northerners had had to Southerners came from the carriactures of the Beverly Hillbillies and the Dukes of Hazard.

It took a few weeks of watching Johnny Carson to perfect a midwestern neutral accent, but it was worth it to not have to fight the uphill battle for credibility from the onset.

There is little doubt about my roots, however, when I'm mad...

48 posted on 07/14/2005 8:24:48 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: Red Badger

We have neighbors from Massachusetts, and they have a vanity license plate, proudly proclaiming their MA loyalty. They are nice enough people, but brains are not their strong suit. We have other neighbors who are from New York, and they love the whole New England area. They are also very nice people, and they do not seem to look down on the ignorant rednecks down the street. The most arrogant neighbors we have had were Texans. I liked them as well.


49 posted on 07/14/2005 8:25:04 AM PDT by petitfour
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To: Tennessee_Bob

Tennesseans are some of the nicest, friendliest people I've ever interacted with.


50 posted on 07/14/2005 8:28:14 AM PDT by SilentServiceCPOWife
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To: petitfour

Well, EVERTHANG'S BIGGER 'N BETTER IN TEXASS!..............


51 posted on 07/14/2005 8:29:11 AM PDT by Red Badger (HURRICANES: God's way of telling you it's time to clean out the freezer...............)
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To: taxed2death
Us Yankees can't wait to get home and watch the evening news when you clueless southerners get a dusting of snow. "Break out the pop corn"!

I grew up in the South, but after 25 years in North Dakota, I can outdrive most Yankees in snow any day.

Add a few 'bootleg driving' skills to a few long winters of practice and you get to watch Northeasterners and Chicagoans for entertainment.

52 posted on 07/14/2005 8:30:41 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: SilentServiceCPOWife

Well, thank you, ma'am - we do our darnedest. :)


53 posted on 07/14/2005 8:38:17 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Nac Mac Feegle! The Wee Free Men! Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! We willna be fooled again!")
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To: Tennessee_Bob

I'm from VA. Several years ago, my then boyfriend and I went to Tennessee to visit his family. Everywhere we went, we were greeted with "Hi. How ya'll doin'?" and big, friendly smiles. I kept asking him if he knew these people. He just laughed and said that's how people are in Tennessee. No one is a stranger. :-)


54 posted on 07/14/2005 8:42:41 AM PDT by SilentServiceCPOWife
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To: SilentServiceCPOWife

When the Olympics were in Atlanta in 1995, my sister and I drove downtown, and I would say "Hi, Ya'll" to everyone. My sister was so very embarrassed.

There's a difference between a Southern country accent and a Southern cultured accent. I'm working on the cultured thing, but it's hard to say "Hi, ya'll" and sound cultured.


55 posted on 07/14/2005 8:48:57 AM PDT by peacebaby
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To: taxed2death

Every Oct. I go up to northern Mich. salmon fishing, all the waitress in the resturants love my accent and they ask me questions just to get me to talk.


56 posted on 07/14/2005 8:49:23 AM PDT by southernerwithanattitude (new and improved redneck)
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth
Personally I find it humorous that when I open my mouth and speak the Yankees and liberals around me automatically assume that I am unlettered ...

When I lived in the NYC more than one woman told me how much they loved my southern accent. There's another advantage to exploit.

57 posted on 07/14/2005 8:49:36 AM PDT by Martin Tell (Red States [should act like they] Rule)
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To: PeterPrinciple
"Is this for real? Get over it. "

No, YOU get over it.

58 posted on 07/14/2005 8:49:36 AM PDT by subterfuge (Obama, momama...er Osama-Labamba, uh, bama...bananrama...URP!---Ted Kennedy)
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To: SilentServiceCPOWife
No one is a stranger. :-)

I was stationed at Nellis, in Las Vegas, NV - and that used to tick my now ex-wife and ex-sister-in-law off something fierce. We'd be walking along Las Vegas Blvd, and I'd be nodding and saying Howdy to folks. If I saw a car with Tennessee plates, I'd walk up and start talking - and they'd hang back all embarassed - funniest part was when the Tennesseeans I was talking to would see them hanging back and acting embarassed and would ask "They're not from back home, are they?"

59 posted on 07/14/2005 8:52:18 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Nac Mac Feegle! The Wee Free Men! Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! We willna be fooled again!")
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To: peacebaby

Don't try to change your accent. The "country" sound is charming. :-)


60 posted on 07/14/2005 8:54:12 AM PDT by SilentServiceCPOWife
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