Posted on 07/08/2005 7:13:25 PM PDT by NZerFromHK
My father owns a business in the CBD area here in Auckland. We have a shop selling Persian rugs next to us and the owner is Iranian himself. He is a moderate Muslim (yep, the MSM definition of it no less) and seems to be very nice to us and other nearby shops' owners. Dad had this conversation with the owner yesterday regarding the London bombing:
Dad: Did you read the papers this morning?
Owner: Yes, a big news event.
Dad: It's sad, isn't it?
Owner: Well, the British got it upon themselves. You know that Americans and British have killed many of us Muslims!
Dad: Do you really mean it? All the people died there are innocent deaths!
Owner: But they have killed many Muslims as a nation!
Dad:...
Owner: So, what do you think about it.
Dad: It's a complicated matter.
(And then he switched to another topic)
And he was fuming over dinner last night. He is a conservative like me, but because he doesn't want to get into argument due to traditional Chinese sense of politeness in conversation, he did not refute the shop owner's words in his face.
It serves as a wake up call for me. I have always imagined the moderate Muslims know the stakes, but now I have to reevaluate whether I could trust even many of the moderate Muslims in light of this conversation.
But it's ok for them to kill thousands of innocent people over the past decade.
There's no such thing as a moderate Muslim BUMP!
Saddam kills hundreds of thousands of Muslims, and thats OK, with the Muslim population outside Iraq.
Or not quite enough of them depending upon one's view.
Pitchforks and lanters...with a smiley face!
bttt
We now have security checks for all transfer passengers and departing passengers on both international and trunk domestic flights.
Still, security is a bit lax than when compared with many other airports overseas: I travelled on AKL-PPT (papeete/Tahiti) - LAX-DFW-DTW two years ago. My shoe sole was a bit damaged due to wear over the years and it didn't activate the metal detector in Auckland but did at Papeete and LAX. This tells you how laxed security here really is, and the security screenings are done by a government department in NZ as well (Aviation Security Service).
I like that.
I don't think there's any such thing as a "moderate Muslim".
Arabic tribalism and Islam is apparently a volatile mix. If we need to remove all Arab Muslims in order to remove the few terrorists from our midst, so be it.
Is this cure worse than the illness? I don't think so. Any objection is abstract; the threat of murder is reaL. Sometimes you have to remove the whole organ that contians a few cancer cells in order to save the entire body. And to carry thge analogy further, the Arab Muslim community is not exactly a vital organ for us.
It's time for Europe and the US to kick out all Arab Muslims back to the sands of Allah's armpit, and keep them out. Arab Muslims don't have to be here; the West doesn't have to welcome them in so that some can easily target our own children and women. If Arab Muslims can't activley police their own communities, and often in fact give their radical elements at least tacit support, then it's time for Arab Muslims to go back and live off the fat of their own medieval economies.
I'm glad you've heard and answered your wake-up call. It's a mistake to think that any purportedly moderate Muslim is really going to be reasonable. After some horrific terrorist attack the Muslims I live near and work with shake their heads and say, "Oh, that's so sad," and then invariably add, ". . .but. . ." The "but" always places the blame for an atrocity squarely on the victim who in some way failed to free Palestine, become Muslim, etc.
Islam is an evil cult. There are doubtless some kind people who are Muslims--naive women mostly, I suspect--but it teaches the opposite of what Christianity does: it teaches hatred, death, lack of compassion, eradication of western values, of freedom, of initiative, of thought. It is fascism on the march. It is terrible.
Exactly.
When the goal is universal acceptance of sheria, what is "moderation"?
Me, too! The Patriot Act should be strengthened. If you come to America to live you should be willing to be open to scrutiny. If you have nothing to hide, then what's to fear?! I would like to see all Muslims in this country go home (and I personally know some "nice" Muslims) and no more allowed in the U.S. You know what they say, "Never trust a smiling dog."
The Silence of the Muslim world is DEAFENING!!!
I am so OVER Muslims.
Go home to your pre historic culture! And take your Burkas and Allah with you!
I confess that I haven't had a conversation with a Muslim for years. Decades, I imagine. And, where I live, there are none to be seen.
Still, I have made the presumption that the vast majority of American Muslims, at least, are appalled by events like 9/11 and 7/7. As I think about it, though, I am not aware of any news stories reporting Muslim leaders denouncing the actions of terrorist and terrorist acts such as these.
It could be that the MSM chooses not to broadcast these denunciations. Or it could be, I suppose, that they have not been forthcoming.
In any event, experiences such as your father's cause me to wonder...
Amen and Amen!!! Not politically correct to say so, but go home! I live in California (not from here, from Indiana). In Oregon they have bumper stickers that say, "To Californians: Welcome to Oregon! Now go Home!!"
We could have bumper stickers to say the same: To Muslims: Welcome to America!! Now go Home!!
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