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To: olde north church
1. If you are a Roman Catholic, you will be excommunicated if you become a Mason. You can, however, become a member of Opus Dei.

Ummm.... I need confirmation of this. This would be a problem for me.

31 posted on 07/05/2005 9:34:29 AM PDT by nuffsenuff
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To: nuffsenuff

I don't that is correct, although I have seen that stated.

Masons are very much not a religion, merely a fraternity of religious men. There is NO theology involved, so I see no religious reason for it.

I do know, however, that the prohibitions for Roman Catholics dated to back when the Masons were a trade guild of free masons (basically a union) and also from the Crusades (Knights Templar). As a trade union the masons got in fights about with their big customer -- Churches.

Various popes and others tried to union-bust, in effect, to cut down on the cost of building churches.

Masons also have tended to be very egalitarian and suspicious of authority --- e.g. Paul Revere and the rest --- which makes those in power nervous, so they bucked Rome on occassion.

Politics, in short.


37 posted on 07/05/2005 9:41:44 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: nuffsenuff

FYI Freemasonry & Catholicism
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09771a.htm


40 posted on 07/05/2005 9:49:07 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: nuffsenuff
That was my most recent information. I don't recall hearing of any change. As a matter of fact, there was a banking scandal in Italy in the 1980's. Some of it actually was used as the basis for The Godfather III. It was also chronicled in the book "In God's Name". Sort of conspiracy regarding John Paul I death being a conspiracy.
It was revealed some of the Roman Catholic higher ups were Masons.
46 posted on 07/05/2005 9:58:06 AM PDT by olde north church (Why shop with the Son when the Father's place is still open for business?)
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To: nuffsenuff

I'm in the Rosicrucians. I just revived my membership. Half of my family are also members of the Rosicrucians. No masons but the groups are very similar imho.


83 posted on 07/05/2005 11:00:18 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: nuffsenuff

NONsense... i'm Catholic and a PastMaster


84 posted on 07/05/2005 11:00:55 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: nuffsenuff

"If you are a Roman Catholic, you will be excommunicated if you become a Mason. You can, however, become a member of Opus Dei."


I think the Catholic analog to the Masons is the Knights of Columbus, not Opus Dei.

BTW, I have it on good authority that the original UN Charter was printed by a Mason.


85 posted on 07/05/2005 11:02:47 AM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux ("I'll have the moo goo gai pan without the pan, and some pans.")
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To: nuffsenuff
I know of Catholic Masons.

Not many, but I can tell you they exist.

I have heard that the Catholic church (and many Protestant ones as well) frown on its members joining the lodge, but I can't say as I've ever heard of a Catholic being excommunicated because of it.

It's always been my understanding that Catholic and other denominations' problems with Freemasonry was their concern that the lodge would displace the church.

However, the Masonic lodge goes out of its way with every new member to stress that it in no way should replace the member's church.

There have been a lot of fears and misconceptions about Freemasonry dating back hundreds of years, most of them absurd.

It is a wonderful fraternity with the noblest of principles and objectives.

91 posted on 07/05/2005 11:16:15 AM PDT by daler
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To: nuffsenuff
Well, I have known a great many Brothers who were Roman Catholic and hadn't been excommunicated.

I think the RC Church has a 'Don't ask...Don't Tell" policy.

147 posted on 07/05/2005 6:45:56 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (Getting old sucks, but it is the only viable option! NRA)
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To: nuffsenuff

Masonry is "frowned upon" by the Catholic Church, largely a legacy of the anticlerical French Revolution (who's leadership was largely Masonic). Nevertheless, you will NOT be excommunicated if you are a Mason. Paul VI called a truce with the Masons.


180 posted on 07/05/2005 9:25:51 PM PDT by Clemenza (Where is the Genius of Love?)
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To: nuffsenuff

The Knights of Columbus is the Catholic Freemasonry organization.


191 posted on 09/06/2005 9:09:24 PM PDT by BlackjackPershing
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