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Daniel Johnson, formerly a senior editor and columnist for the London Times and Daily Telegraph, is now a columnist for the New York Sun.
1 posted on 07/01/2005 2:27:33 PM PDT by quidnunc
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"How to Think About the Crusades"

Preaching the Gospel

With Steel

2 posted on 07/01/2005 2:32:45 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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"...it is that they were a Bad Thing"

You lost me there. I'm glad that was at the beginning before I read all that tripe.

3 posted on 07/01/2005 2:36:20 PM PDT by Slump Tester (John Kerry - When even your best still isn't good enough)
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Crusade - Jihad. Jihad - Crusade. What came first Jihad or Crusade? I guess when you attack people they will usually attack you back.


5 posted on 07/01/2005 2:40:30 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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Alas, the crusaders had the will, but we have the way.


6 posted on 07/01/2005 2:43:46 PM PDT by umgud (Comment removed by poster before moderator could get to it)
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Since so many today are keen on thinking there is no real Holy Grail, that The DaVinci Code is fact, and that the Ark of the Covenant is just an "idea", I propose the Crusades were not military conquests, but only great leaps forward in religion and our concept of God.
12 posted on 07/01/2005 2:51:21 PM PDT by SaveTheChief (There are 10 types of people -- those who understand binary, and those who don't.)
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In the eyes even of most Christians, let alone others, the Crusades were a crime against humanity, one for which apologies are due, especially to Muslims

You lost me right there, pilgrim.

Not in the eyes of any people, generally educated, that I have ever met in my life, 90% of whom were Christians.
I had to stop reading right there.

14 posted on 07/01/2005 2:52:29 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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Contrary to the rantings of leftists, it is primarily the Crusades, and not modern capitalism and media portrayals of barely clothed women, that is responsible for the entrenched view across Arab/Islamic lands, that the Christian/Western world is the enemy.


15 posted on 07/01/2005 2:55:27 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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Good post!


17 posted on 07/01/2005 2:58:00 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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Background information:

The Battle of Tours, 732 AD.

"Although it took another two generations for the Franks to drive all the Arab garrisons out of what is now France and across the Pyrenees, Charles Martel's halt of the invasion of French soil turned the tide of Islamic advance, and the unification of the Frankish kingdom under Charles Martel, his son Pepin the Short, and his grandson Charlemagne prevented the Umayyad kingdom from expanding over the Pyrenees."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martel


19 posted on 07/01/2005 2:58:31 PM PDT by OK
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Where's the history of the brutal acts of the Muslims that helped bring on the crusades. They were evil and cruel, 'convert or die'. Not much different than today.


20 posted on 07/01/2005 3:00:25 PM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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Matthew.


22 posted on 07/01/2005 3:07:42 PM PDT by Jaded (Hell sometimes has fluorescent lighting and a trumpet.)
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"But Roman Africa and the Hellenic Levant were lost [to Islam] forever ..."

"Forever" is a long time. Like the soothsayer who warned Julius Caesar that "although the Ides of March have come, they have not yet passed" I should point out that we have not reached the end of forever yet.

23 posted on 07/01/2005 3:11:34 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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Excellent piece.


27 posted on 07/01/2005 3:32:57 PM PDT by marron
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Jews were also exterminated during the Crusades. There was another crusade before and during WWII, and too many people are ready for yet another one.


29 posted on 07/01/2005 3:41:23 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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Bump for later reading.


38 posted on 07/01/2005 4:09:06 PM PDT by A2J (Oh, I wish I was in Dixie...)
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Pure trash.


39 posted on 07/01/2005 4:23:42 PM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To put the origin of the cruscades in historical perspective they are what would be termed today a "war of religious liberation". The fanatical Muslims spread rapidy
from Arabia, across northern Africa (which in the 7th century was largely Christian), into Spain and even into France. Christians saw themselves threatened by forced conversion, extinction, or the status of tributory serfs. It was in 732 that Charles Martel defeated their advance at Tours. It was later that a French pope (Urban II) proclaimed the First Cruscade in France in 1095. It was only after Spain was united under Ferdinand of Aragon and Isabella of Castille that the "reconquista" began in 1492 which finally eventuated in the liberation of the Spanish Christians from Muslim domination. Yes, as in any great historical movements there various other motives - commercial, political, etc. But it cannot be gainsaid that
without the crusades we possibly would be speaking Arabic today. It's an oversimplification but I'd say this is more bashing of Western civilization by not remembering the very real threat that existed --- and guess what? IT'S BACK!!


40 posted on 07/01/2005 5:29:54 PM PDT by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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BFL


53 posted on 07/01/2005 9:54:12 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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bttt


54 posted on 07/01/2005 10:33:28 PM PDT by lainde
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Crusades: Stopping the Xenomorph invaders at the gates of Venice many hundreds of years ago.


58 posted on 07/02/2005 6:39:45 AM PDT by IonInsights
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