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How to Think About the Crusades
Commentary ^ | July 2005 | Daniel Johnson

Posted on 07/01/2005 2:27:33 PM PDT by quidnunc

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Daniel Johnson, formerly a senior editor and columnist for the London Times and Daily Telegraph, is now a columnist for the New York Sun.
1 posted on 07/01/2005 2:27:33 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
"How to Think About the Crusades"

Preaching the Gospel

With Steel

2 posted on 07/01/2005 2:32:45 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: quidnunc
"...it is that they were a Bad Thing"

You lost me there. I'm glad that was at the beginning before I read all that tripe.

3 posted on 07/01/2005 2:36:20 PM PDT by Slump Tester (John Kerry - When even your best still isn't good enough)
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To: muir_redwoods

Nice Tagline. Is it OK if I use it?


4 posted on 07/01/2005 2:40:01 PM PDT by Slump Tester ( What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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Crusade - Jihad. Jihad - Crusade. What came first Jihad or Crusade? I guess when you attack people they will usually attack you back.


5 posted on 07/01/2005 2:40:30 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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Alas, the crusaders had the will, but we have the way.


6 posted on 07/01/2005 2:43:46 PM PDT by umgud (Comment removed by poster before moderator could get to it)
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Slump Tester wrote: ("...it is that they were a Bad Thing") You lost me there. I'm glad that was at the beginning before I read all that tripe.

SIGH…

READ THE ARTICLE – ALL OF IT – BEFORE YOU COMMENT AND MAKE DAMFOOLS OF YOURSELVES!

7 posted on 07/01/2005 2:45:52 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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You lost me there. I'm glad that was at the beginning before I read all that tripe.

You shouldn't have stopped, because most of the rest of the piece is counterpoint.

8 posted on 07/01/2005 2:48:28 PM PDT by kezekiel
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Read on, friend.


9 posted on 07/01/2005 2:49:47 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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"Nice Tagline. Is it OK if I use it?"

Absolutely, I'd be honored, spread the word.

10 posted on 07/01/2005 2:50:13 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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Preaching the Gospel With Steel

I have read a fiery gospel

Writ in burnished rows of steel

As ye deal with my contemners

So with you my grace shall deal.

(Battle Hymn of the Republic, Third stanza)
11 posted on 07/01/2005 2:50:42 PM PDT by The Grammarian (Postmillenialist Methodist)
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Since so many today are keen on thinking there is no real Holy Grail, that The DaVinci Code is fact, and that the Ark of the Covenant is just an "idea", I propose the Crusades were not military conquests, but only great leaps forward in religion and our concept of God.
12 posted on 07/01/2005 2:51:21 PM PDT by SaveTheChief (There are 10 types of people -- those who understand binary, and those who don't.)
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The best tagline I've seen at FR is "All I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11".


13 posted on 07/01/2005 2:51:34 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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In the eyes even of most Christians, let alone others, the Crusades were a crime against humanity, one for which apologies are due, especially to Muslims

You lost me right there, pilgrim.

Not in the eyes of any people, generally educated, that I have ever met in my life, 90% of whom were Christians.
I had to stop reading right there.

14 posted on 07/01/2005 2:52:29 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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Contrary to the rantings of leftists, it is primarily the Crusades, and not modern capitalism and media portrayals of barely clothed women, that is responsible for the entrenched view across Arab/Islamic lands, that the Christian/Western world is the enemy.


15 posted on 07/01/2005 2:55:27 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: muir_redwoods
Forgot about the other part of that stanza...Picking up where I left off:

May the Hero born of Woman crush the Serpent with his heel

While God is marching on!

Chorus


16 posted on 07/01/2005 2:56:22 PM PDT by The Grammarian (Postmillenialist Methodist)
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To: quidnunc

Good post!


17 posted on 07/01/2005 2:58:00 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: quidnunc
Why is it that the reader can make a dammfool of himself, but the writer is exempt?

Dammfool statments to make in the very first paragraph.

Counterpoint - my elbow!

18 posted on 07/01/2005 2:58:13 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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Background information:

The Battle of Tours, 732 AD.

"Although it took another two generations for the Franks to drive all the Arab garrisons out of what is now France and across the Pyrenees, Charles Martel's halt of the invasion of French soil turned the tide of Islamic advance, and the unification of the Frankish kingdom under Charles Martel, his son Pepin the Short, and his grandson Charlemagne prevented the Umayyad kingdom from expanding over the Pyrenees."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martel


19 posted on 07/01/2005 2:58:31 PM PDT by OK
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Where's the history of the brutal acts of the Muslims that helped bring on the crusades. They were evil and cruel, 'convert or die'. Not much different than today.


20 posted on 07/01/2005 3:00:25 PM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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