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Expired gun ban still worries some
Houston Comical ^ | 6-25-05 | David Whitney

Posted on 06/26/2005 8:59:48 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan

Expired gun ban still worries some
Sen. Feinstein wants law reborn, despite no proof of increased crime
By DAVID WHITNEY
Mcclatchy News Service

WASHINGTON - It's been 10 months since the federal assault weapons ban expired, and for an idea of what's happened since then, pick up a copy of a gun magazine.

There you will find ads for semiautomatic rifles and pistols looking like something out of a war zone, with clips holding 30 or 40 cartridges — many features that 11 months ago U.S. manufacturers could not include and gun stores could not sell.

"Since the assault weapons ban was allowed to expire, it has been open season for criminals who want the most dangerous types of military-style assault weapons," declared Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., who in March introduced legislation to revive the old ban.

Feinstein said the expiration of the ban she fought for in 1994 "will have deadly consequences on the streets of America."

Hard to measure

But has it really made much of a difference? Are the streets less safe?

There is no hard evidence, one way or another.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms has no statistics that would show whether there's been an increase in sales of assault-style weapons, and the Justice Department has no statistics that would show whether there's been an increase in their use in crimes.

Gunmakers say their shops are busy, but only because the ban created pent-up demand.

"It's changed our market a bit," said Mark Westrom, president of Armalite, an Illinois company that produces the military-style weapons. But Westrom said the company is not selling anywhere near the volume that many gun-control advocates forecast.

Sandy Abrams, a board member of the National Rifle Association who owns Valley Gun of Baltimore, said he's seen a drop in sales of the guns at his urban store.

"It's not like there was this groundswell of demand," he said. Abrams said manufacturers never stopped making what are commonly called assault weapons. They just made guns that got around the ban.

Even among advocates of gun-control legislation, there is no agreement on whether the expiration of the ban is a disaster in the making, as Feinstein claims, or the quiet death of a law that had no teeth.

Eric Howard, spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said that just because there are no statistics to prove it does not mean the expiration of the ban hasn't had a negative effect.

What's most disturbing, he said, is that the free-flowing U.S. marketplace for military-style rifles comes as gang violence is reaching horrific levels.

"Now manufacturers are kicking it up and we're seeing things like fingerprint-proof resistant grips," he said. "That's clearly to attract a niche that's not your regular duck hunter."

Hard to enforce

The federal ban outlawed U.S.-built ammunition clips holding more than 10 bullets and a handful of specific models. But mostly it prohibited the manufacture and sale of guns with a combination of specified features, such as a flash suppressor, a folding stock and a bayonet lug.

In the months after the ban's expiration, gun-control advocates took heart that several states began to look at enacting their own laws, patterned after California's, to keep military-style weapons out of gun shops.

Feinstein says there is little support in Congress to strengthen an assault weapons law. So she has reintroduced the old ban on the theory that something is better than nothing. She has the endorsement of many organizations, including police officers associations.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: awb; bang; banglist; feinstein; guns
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There you will find ads for semiautomatic rifles and pistols looking like something out of a war zone,

War zone? Where the hell are the burst and automatics then?

1 posted on 06/26/2005 8:59:49 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: Dan from Michigan

Feinstein is a f***ing idiot and a waste of oxygen.


2 posted on 06/26/2005 9:02:20 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: Dan from Michigan
"Now manufacturers are kicking it up and we're seeing things like fingerprint-proof resistant grips," he said. "That's clearly to attract a niche that's not your regular duck hunter."

LOL!! Double redundncy alert! As if those couldn't grips couldn't be applied to any weapon. More "2nd amendment is for hunting" drivel.

3 posted on 06/26/2005 9:05:16 AM PDT by L98Fiero
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To: Dan from Michigan

""Eric Howard, spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said that just because there are no statistics to prove it does not mean the expiration of the ban hasn't had a negative effect.

What's most disturbing, he said, is that the free-flowing U.S. marketplace for military-style rifles comes as gang violence is reaching horrific levels.

"Now manufacturers are kicking it up and we're seeing things like fingerprint-proof resistant grips," he said. "That's clearly to attract a niche that's not your regular duck hunter."""

Nice to be able to make an assertion with absolutely no proof--and admit it.


4 posted on 06/26/2005 9:07:04 AM PDT by samm1148
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To: Dan from Michigan
There you will find ads for semiautomatic rifles and pistols looking like something out of a war zone, with clips holding 30 or 40 cartridges — many features that 11 months ago U.S. manufacturers could not include and gun stores could not sell.

Odd, two out of three of my "assault weapons" are ban-era weapons (an AR and a WASR --so what, they don't have a lug, big deal) and all of my > 10 rd Beretta and AR magazines were legally purchased during the ban, except for 10 "LEO" stamped AR mags bought legally after the sunset just to stick a finger in Sarah Brady's eye. So I don't know in what reality this quote applies.

5 posted on 06/26/2005 9:10:54 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: Dan from Michigan

Eric Howard, spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said ... "Now manufacturers are kicking it up and we're seeing things like fingerprint-proof resistant grips," he said. "That's clearly to attract a niche that's not your regular duck hunter."



I googled the phrase "fingerprint-proof resistant grips" and found this liar's quote, and little else. Oddly, if manufacturerd are marketing this feature, they are silent about it.

Of course, it is common for gun makers to employ materials that are resistant to the corrosion cause by skin oils and acids, but latent fingerprints can be lifted from such surfaces as readily as anything.


6 posted on 06/26/2005 9:11:10 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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There you will find ads for semiautomatic rifles and pistols looking like something out of a war zone,

Like this?


7 posted on 06/26/2005 9:13:42 AM PDT by umgud (Comment removed by poster before moderator could get to it)
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To: Beelzebubba

I googled the same phrase without the redundancy, and this guys quote was second on the list.


8 posted on 06/26/2005 9:14:08 AM PDT by Quick1
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To: Dan from Michigan
"There is no evidence one way or the other"
They are calling the FBI liars! The FBI has a report out saying that crime is down. I guess some puppets can not read but just repeat the agendas. Gun Control is only focused against law abiding people. If gun laws against criminals was enforced gun crime would go down but the crooks and dummies would just move on to other crime.
9 posted on 06/26/2005 9:21:29 AM PDT by mountainlyons (alienated vet)
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To: Dan from Michigan
McClatchy...the same fine folks who bring you the Minneapolis Red Star.
Any questions ?
10 posted on 06/26/2005 9:26:30 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: L98Fiero
The whole bag of lies about "fingerprint-resistant" guns came from an old Tec-9 ad that touted a matte finish that doesn't show fingerprints and dirt like a bright blued finish does. It also doesn't rust with fingerprints like bright blue does. There was nothing in the ad that even remotely suggested the purpose was to prevent discovery of fingerprints by police.

But as usual, the obvious facts mean nothing to the hoplophobes. Just another opportunity for twisted hyperbole.

11 posted on 06/26/2005 9:44:15 AM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: Dan from Michigan
A bit off-topic and shamelessly self-serving but, does anyone know where I can get one of those RamLine folding stocks for a Marlin camp rifle in .45?

I would be happy with any brand of folding stock that would fit the Marlin.

12 posted on 06/26/2005 9:55:28 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: umgud

Damn, that thing doesn't even LOOK like a gun. I'm not sure what it looks like.


13 posted on 06/26/2005 9:56:27 AM PDT by Hardastarboard
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To: Dan from Michigan

Like their toadies on the Supreme Court, Liberals just can't seem to grasp what the Bill of Rights are all about.


14 posted on 06/26/2005 10:32:09 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: Hardastarboard
I dunno - looks to me like --

Death Incarnated
15 posted on 06/26/2005 10:49:19 AM PDT by ASOC (Insert clever tagline here: _______)
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To: Dan from Michigan

The clueless gun-grabbers are at it again. We have to be ever-vigilant, or they'll sneak in another ugly gun ban.

BTW, the other night I lurked on DU and found a gun control thread. Some guy had the temerity to suggest that he could be a liberal and still support the Second Amendment. He said he had just joined the NRA. Boy, the flames immediately started. He learned very quickly from the DUmmies that you always have to sing from the liberal hymnbook. Guess their tolerance and diversity only goes so far.


16 posted on 06/26/2005 11:15:45 AM PDT by billnaz (It's my firearm, and it's my right. Any questions?)
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To: Dan from Michigan

Democrats are worried that crime will continue to drop.

They need a set number of deaths in order to "claim the issue".


17 posted on 06/26/2005 11:17:24 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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Guess their tolerance and diversity only goes so far.

Yeah...it's kind of like hanging around here and saying that a big-government Republican isn't really a conservative. That'll get you flamed right quick.

18 posted on 06/26/2005 11:20:02 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Oberon

You wrote:

Yeah...it's kind of like hanging around here and saying that a big-government Republican isn't really a conservative. That'll get you flamed right quick.

Sadly, you are right. Just because an office-holder has (R) after his name doesn't mean he favors individual rights any more than a loony left-winger. Just look at our own John "Captain Queeg" McCain, a sorry excuse for a senator from Arizona. In the last election he got a C rating from the NRA, the same rating as his liberal Democrat opponent. Republicans can take away our firearms just as quickly as Democrats can. That's why I don't trust any of them.


19 posted on 06/26/2005 11:37:17 AM PDT by billnaz (It's my firearm, and it's my right. Any questions?)
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To: Dan from Michigan

Eric Howard, spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said that just because there are no statistics to prove it does not mean the expiration of the ban hasn't had a negative effect.


Facts? We don't need no steeenking Facts!


20 posted on 06/26/2005 11:42:40 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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