Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[spectre]

VERY GOOD...Palladin!

I think we agree that Daddy was cleaning up a potential mess...that night.

Bad man!

sw

[Palladin]

We will all be shocked and disgusted when we find out what "Judge" Van der Sloot did that night.

As the article I posted above relates--expats usually don't leave their native land just to improve the scenery.

I wonder if the FBI got a look at the elder VDS's rap sheet from Holland.

[Ditter]

<<<<<"Daddy VDS looks like a pervert">>>

He looks like a square headed Dutchman, just like my Dutch friends husband and son. Maybe he is scared and guilty and sweating like a pig but I don't know what you mean by looking like a pervert.

[the Deejay]

Suppose this, dad & son took advantage of her, she threatened to tell LE & that would ruin the VDS family.....sooooo. dad decided to kill her & dump her body.

LE seems to be zeroing in on the 2 VDS.

[spectre]

Maybe the brothers were just doing what Joran said to do...LIE about dropping her off. Maybe it's that simple?

sw

[bonfire]

Yep, either both dad and son participated in rape or Dad cleaned up Joran's mess.


Hope we are all WRONG.

[Palladin]

From another thread:

To: rawhide
I think they are saying the fathers involved in some way in the cover up. I read somewhere that the authorities down there checked the dads banking records and found he went to the ATM the night the girl disappeared 3 times at 300 am. and 3.45 am in the morning. Seems strange to need cash that late,but then again it's a party town. But I thought the mom said her husband was sound asleep? Who knows?



13 posted on 06/24/2005 6:31:10 PM EDT by Bush gal in LA

[Dark Skies]

You may be correct. But it is a roundabout route .

The most likely cause of death is drugs mixed with alcohol. Kid(s) drag Dad in. Blood being thicker than water (and Dad's legal training tells him that no body means most likely means a circumstantial case), Dad became an "accessory after the fact" (though that may not be the Dutch charge) and helped the kid(s) dispose of the body. Sharks are a great help...but some body parts will eventually appear (I hope). Also, hair (except for on my noggin) is ubiqitous. If she was in a car trunk or boat, Natalee's hair is in their somewhere.

But, truth being so much stranger than fiction. I am probably off by a mile.

[Big Jake]

Here is the deal: In the US states, a rape that results in a homicide rises to a higher level of penalty... for example in Alabama, it can be the death penalty. (something Aruba does not have). With that said, the use of an illegal substance to incapacitate the victim during a rape shows premeditation. I do not know how Dutch law would treat a premeditated rape that resulted in a homicide, but my guess is... it just might be considered premeditated murder. I could be way off on this... comments anyone??

[bonfire]

The brothers may truly be innocent. I'll bet Joran never told them what happened to Natalee. Probably only Daddy and Joran know.

[the Deejay]

We're thinking the same scenario at the same time.

By George! I do think we've got it! lol!

[spectre]

Could be.

But then, we haven't discussed the possibility that Paulus may have been so scared, he sold her to Slavery, and shipped her off the island that night.

It only gets worse.

sw

[bonfire]

You may be right. We need someone here who can tell us about Dutch law!!

[Dark Skies]

Very possible...see my #948 below for another possibility.

[Palladin]

Death from a mixture of drugs and alcohol would be an accident--manslaughter charge...not PREMEDITATED MURDER.

But I am often wrong in my predictions of how these cases will go.

[the Deejay]

Hope we are all WRONG.

I don't think we're far from wrong.....

[bonfire]

"I don't think we're far from wrong....."

With Daddy in custody; I don't think we are either.

[Palladin]

Here's that other thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1430112/posts

Warning: It contains a lot of naysaying and Greta-bashing.

[Big Jake]

The brothers may truly be innocent. I'll bet Joran never told them what happened to Natalee. Probably only Daddy and Joran know.

I think this is a true statement.

[agsloss]

Some ATMs have a cash limit per transaction. He may have had to use it three times each to get enough cash for whatever he was doing.