Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[bonfire]

Interesting view on expats. Makes sense though.

[Dark Skies]

But, I can't figure out why Paulus would have a Premeditation charge against him? Unless he engineered the whole scheme to get rid of her or her body?

In the U.S., such engineering would trigger the charge of "accessory after the fact."

[spectre]

We know nothing...LOL!

[the Deejay]

Premeditation to me is, he planned to kill her& & did.

[Big Jake]

I think you are correct about the lethal drug reaction during a rape, but to properly dispose of a body you need three things: a place, a plan and time. I do not think Deepak and Satish were around when she died. I think Joran was by himself at the Fisherman's Huts. My guess is he ran about 3 clicks to his house and told his dad what happened in full panic. After some conjecture, his dad helped him move the body back to the Sloot house. This move gives them the time to develop a plan and place for the body. Joran uses Steve Croes boat to dump the body the next evening within 2 miles west of Arashi beach... the currents and winds will move the body out to sea. When the Holloway family and friends showed late that night, the PvdS tried to create the Casino alibi not knowing how the plan ahd panned out. Joran returned to the house as Pvds lead the family on a tense goose chase.

[stlnative]

Premeditation could mean they know GHB or Roofies were used. (Something tells me they found GHB or Roofies in VDS home or in Joran's "pad".)

[spectre]

Oh...So I still can't figure out the "premeditation" role Paulus VDS is alledged to have played? Can you?

[bonfire]

That's what is suggests to me too but maybe in Aruba the meaning is different.


I don't want to know that the Mr.VDS killed her. i don't think my brain could deal with it.

[spectre]

Oh dear...oh no...

[outinyellowdogcountry]

Wonder what wild Venezuelan nights this 15 year old is talking about?

[spectre]

Oh gawd, the thought of it just made me sick..I hope not.

[Dark Skies]

No, I can't either...it conjures up much darker stuff. Was Papa part of the boys party life?

I would have otherwise thought he was helping the kids dispose of the body (and the evidence...without a body or a witness, it is circumstantial case...at least in the U.S.).

But life is stranger than fiction.

[bonfire]

I can't make myself post what Daddy's premeditation might mean. If he hurt her in any way I hope the authorities let Nat's Dad in alone with him.

[Palladin]

This is sort of what I am thinking, except--here's where premeditation comes in for the father: Joran rapes Natalee and leaves her in a comatose state on the beach, either from suffocation or strangulation. Joran gets his father to come down, put her in VDS car, and take her to the house. How to clean upthe mess? Can't take her to Emergency Room without bringing down the whole VDS family.

Father advises to kill her and dispose of body. Method of murder? Complete the strangulation? Call Croese and inject an OD of heroin or other drug? Method of disposal: Croese,for a hefty fee, takes the body in a boat out to the Northern point and feeds it to the sharks.

[Big Jake]

tres cervesas por favor!!! ...and bring a scotch for the little kid!!

[the Deejay]

LOL! This is what I'm not sure of, if Premeditation means the same there as it does here.

Abrams didn't ask, did he? And just assumed it means the same there as here.

[Carolinamom]

I wonder how Beth Holloway 'KNOWS' Natalee was at their house at 3am.......is there a witness that she uncovered during her house-to-house visits?

[stlnative]

I am amazed that you have not felt that Daddy VDS is a freaken pervert. He has that nerdy sick pervert look written all over his face. Think of Joran as being Daddy VDS's alter ego. You gotta know that Daddy was was encouraging Joran's habits. Daddy and Joran hung out together at the casinos.

Time to go make some dinner...

[spectre]

Let's try this scenerio:

Joran is holding Natalee, and tells his Daddy that Natalee is going to report him for rape...which wouldn't do since Paulus is up for a judgeship. Daddy panicks and they kill Natalee just so she won't talk..

There are some blanks that need to be filled in, but it could be something along those lines?

[bonfire]

Close to what I'm thinking too. They panicked and killed her to save their butts. So how do the brothers fit in here? THink they are now telling the truth with their latest story?