Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[pamlet]

I disagree with you on one point...

This could have just as easily happened here - especially when there's an influx of kids at spring break at the beaches. From what I can tell the only difference with Aruba is that it seems like it's "spring break" year round. That coupled with the fact that it is "legal" for 18 year olds to drink/gamble..

[PBRSTREETGANG]

Beefing up?

I thought they were scaling back.

[WestCoastGal]

As usual with this story there have been conflicting stories on this.

Some of her friends have been interviewed, although it has been mentioned that her best friends were not on this trip.

The one's interviewed said that they were all going back to the hotel and she was walking with Joran. Then they saw her in the car and she said she was ok, going back to the hotel. They said she did not appear drunk and some confirmed the story that she introduced herself to JVDS that night. They had seen him around the hotel/casino before but not with Natalie.

They said when she didn't show for the flight home they knew something was wrong because she was the most responsible of all of them.

I also pray for her safe return.

Beth Holloway-Twitty looked very tired last night, the worst I have seen her look. I hope God will give her the strength to continue. This is just a horrible story.

[Jrabbit]

Thanks. I've missed so much and trying to keep all the info straight is a task! I just can't imagine where she is if she is still alive....

[hummingbird]

I would like to add this: in all the crimes/trials I've watched, that woman is the ONLY parent I've seen who is behaving in a way that I think I would if it were my child (except for the part about making him tell the truth.)

I'd probably be catatonic or hysterical in so many of the crime cases covered on TV - how do people hold themselves together? I don't "know her story," but the Mrs. does seem authentic in her shock, confusion and grief over her son and husband's involvement.

[TexKat]

The guy in the middle is "Freddy", not Satish. He is pictured in a handful of photos drinking with JvdS.

Picture please???

[rebapiper]

Right now Aruba is making plenting of this missing teen.
They could care less about this girl, when it's over there
will be plenty of people from around the world that will
come to that Island.
Just remember they don't have many crimes there, THEY NEED
LAWS in order to have crimes.
I think the girl was drugged and left on the beach to be
picked up, SOLD for PROSTITUTION.
She's to hot to handle now, she may be dead now.
I wonder how many women from other countries are sold?

[stlnative]

Timeline compiled by brigette
(there may be errors in this and much of this is unconfirmed)

Sunday - May 29th 2005

Natalee meets Joran for the first time in the Holiday Inn Casino sometime during the evening.
(Some of her friends say this is the first time Natalee met him - media and some of her other friends say she meet him for the first time the day before at the Holiday Inn Casino).

Natalee tells Joran that tonight is her last night in Aruba and that she will be at Carlos N' Charlies Bar later that evening and if Joran will be there later in the evening.

Joran call Deepak while Deepak is working - He asks Deepak if he wants to go to Carlos N' Charlies tonight after her gets off work. Deepak tells him sure.

10:30 pm - Deepak gets off work at about 10:30 pm (Satish picks up Deepak in Deepak's car - Deepak never drives his car to work per his mother) - he goes home to "fix" something and to take a bath.

11:00 pm - Joran's father (PVDS) picks up Joran at McDonald's at 11:00 pm - They return back to the VDS home.

Monday - May 30th 2005

12:10 am - Deepak and Satish drive to Joran's home in Deepak's Silver 4 door Honda -
They arrive at about 12:10 am - They hang around Joran's house for about 15 minute  before leaving for Carlos N' Charlies at about 12:25 am. They all 3 arrive at Carlos N' Charlies at about 12:30 am. Natalee is already at the bar with some classmates. Note: Joran sneaked out of the house with the 2 brothers. Joran's mother was away in Holland. 

1:00 am - Bar closes and everyone starts clearing out of the bar. - Deepak looses contact with Joran and Satish inside the bar. So he goes outside and sits in his car for about 10 minutes, when Joran, Satish, and Natalee show up at Deepak's car. All 3 get into the car with Deepak. Time is about 1:10 to 1:15 am

1:10 to 1:15 am - As the car is pulling away from the bar area - Natalee yells out the window "Aruba - Aruba" (her friends verify this) and some yelled for her to get out of the car. Deepak says he stopped the car to let her out, but that she said she would just catch a ride from them back to her hotel (unconfirmed). 

1:15 am to about 2:15 am - The first story to come from the brothers and Joran is that they all drove to the California Lighthouse beach area and that they took Natalee back to her Holiday Inn hotel at about 2:00 or 2:15 am and that they dropped her off near the front entrance of the hotel. They claim she stumbled when getting out of the car and  2 security guards dress in black with walkie talkies approached her and that they pulled away leaving Natalee with the 2 security guards.

The 3 boys story has now changed and they say that they took Natalee and Joran to the beach (the Marriott Hotel Beach area?) and that the brothers went home and then received a phone call or a text message from Joran for them to come pick him up. 

We do not know what happened to Natalee after she pulled away from the bar with the 3 boys inside Deepak's car. We do not know how Joran got back home or if one or both of the brothers went back to pick Joran up. Joran's latest story is that he left Natalee on the beach and walked home. There are rumors that Joran's father was seen at 3:00 am once again at the McDonalds. There are rumors that Joran made it to school that Monday but this unconfirmed and it is unknown if he arrived on time for school if he did attend school that day.

From the International School of Aruba website...

http://www.isaruba.com/activities/events.htm

Upcoming Events

• SAT, June 4
• Final Exams, June 6-8
• Elementary Awards Assembly, June 7
• Montessori Moving Up Ceremony, June 8
• 8th grade Moving On Ceremny, June 9
• Last day of school year / end of Quarter 4, June 9                             ISA Goodbye, teacher-student games, Baby Beach outing
• 12th grade Graduation, June 9
• In-Service day for teachers, June 10
• Secondary Report Card grades due, June 13
• Secondary Report Cards go home, June 15

 

 

[hummingbird]

I hope somebody writes a book about this.

Hasn't Mark Furhman just finished a crime book? After the Martha Moxley book he wrote, the Skakel boy was convicted, probably with evidence Furhman was able to collect (as much as a private citizen can, I guess). He's very methodical. Dominick Dunne was very involved with the Martha Moxley trial as well.

[varina davis]

Mark Fuhrman also wrote an investigative book about Terri Shiavo. I pre-ordered it from Amazon, should be here soon.

[TexKat]

From Riehl World:

FOXNEWS did a report from the FBI in Washington last night. The first agent sent home was a "Profiler" who sat in on interregations while Joran and the brothers were in the local jail. When the boys were transferred to the prison, the Profiler would no longer have access. The FBI said they would bolster their number of agents (was a total of 7)if needed. I don't think the FBI is pulling back as much as they are rearranging appropriate personnel.

Posted by: wreck | June 24, 2005 12:53 PM

[hummingbird]

I guess this is Pigeon Dutch?!

"Concerning the vermissing" looks like an interesting English/Dutch/German melange....

[TexKat]

Could just be for the cameras. Although Mama says he is very shy. I hope somebody writes a book about this.

Hopefully Greta!!

[hummingbird]

I wondered a while back if the Arubans knew what a Steel Magnolia is. They're finding out. Beth will show 'em.

True enough...she IS a Steel Magnolia. I'm changing my tagline.

[BunnySlippers]

One of my favorites was when they said the body had been found! And that one of them had confessed.

[TexKat]

From Riehl World:

joran joined myspace.com on 05/02/05 joran's last log in on myspace.com was 6/7/2005 'aruba one happy eiland' (a friend of joran on myspace.com) is for real because joran would of had to approved him. Also this guy 'aruba one happy eiland' has been a member since 1/31/05 before all of this hit the fan. joran also has a friend that joined myspace named 'jamie' who joined a day before joran on 5/01/05. Will we see this guys in custody soon too as he appears to be a close friend ('jamie' has personal pictures of he and joran. thought that was interesting.

Posted by: Nan | June 24, 2005 12:52 PM

[stlnative]

Notice the school SAT and Exam dates for Joran School in post 748. Monday May 30th is when Natalee came up missing and I believe Joran was not arrested until June 7th.

He may have never taken all his exams and now we know he did not have to take them that Monday morning of May 30th.

[Malichi]

bookmark

[Big Jake]

They are from joran's msnspace website and now on my harddrive. The links are down, so I can't source the image in the FR environment. Thoughts?

[PBRSTREETGANG]

Thanks. Makes sense.