Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[the Deejay]

he kept pointing the finger at Jessica's dad and the rest of her family.

As did a lot of people, many on this very web site pointed fingers at the Lunsfords.

I never thought the Lunsfords had anything to do w/her disappearance.

When I heard Mark Furhman say that, I said,

"No, no, no.....Don't say that....! My instinct says they're not involved!"

[Canadian Outrage]

LOL I'm at work and I'm trying to draaaaaaaag out my lunch hour here. I really must get to back to work soon. hehe

[bluepistolero]

Furhman is a snob. Poor people just are not on his level.

[Yaelle]

Here is an interesting take on the Holloways/Twittys at the very start of Natalee's disappearance. If this potential scenario is close to right, Beth may have been hopping mad, coming over in a private plane to get her daughter who in her mind was having a romantic runaway time with some local Aruban Romeo... How horrible that it wasn't just that.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25443

[PBRSTREETGANG]

He was talking about J-Lo as "Jenny from the block" and said that the people from her neighborhood would rather give her a "curb job" than a "blow job" (He then corrected to say "block party")

[Canadian Outrage]

I hope they make a HUGE deal on the news tonight of the Godfather CONNECTION!!

[monkeywrench]

"A last item for now, I have been told that Aruba is surrounded by radar, manned in three shifts with nine members comprising each shift - and despite persistent rumors of all island intrigue as regards Natalee Holloway are unfounded, as this radar would have documented such an effort."

What does this mean?

[onyx]

LOL! OK. But I "have to stay away til I finish" -- Geeeeeez, please kick me out if I come back before 3:00PM. I 'll turn up the volume on the TV so I won't miss anything...lol.


OK, maggie and CO -- out of here for a while, deal? (I won't wait for your replies). I am GONE right now...lol.

[Yaelle]

Did y'all hear that Netherlands is sending over the Dutch Marines to help look for Natalee?

The Lisping Lothario, Geraldo, whined on the air yesterday that there were Dutch Marines on the Island already (stationed there) and the authorities were not allowing them to help the Equusearchers. Guess he got something done!

[Palladin]

That Godfather connection is the last straw! No wonder that punk Joran was allowed to walk free, as the Police Chief arrested two totally innocent security guards.

This whole affair stinks to high heavens.

Thank God Beth and Jug were the type of parents to rush to the scene right away, before the full coverup plan could fall into place.

[Yaelle]

Laughing Out Loud!!! I remember!!! What would Dr. Freud say, Shep!

[the Deejay]

Furhman is a snob

How do you figure that?

I don't think he's like that at all.

I'm sure he's seen his share of poor in his own life. He didn't start making money until oj made him famous.

I'm sure Mark thanks oj and his defense team every time Mark gets his royalty checks.

I don't think he's wealthy. He makes a better living than being a detective.

[maggief]

Why do I think the FNC "source close to the investigation" is Geraldo or Craig?

[monkeywrench]

Turns out the aruban authorities haven't been interrogating him everyday like they said, either.

[Yaelle]

Geeeeeez, please kick me out if I come back before 3:00PM.

If only we could rig our mice and keyboards with electric shocks...

[maggief]

I think you are still here.

;-D

[Palladin]

I saw Steve Croes's family, and they sure look like a shady bunch.

All except for the Mom, who has been recently "born again". But notice she left the Island and got far away from all of them. (Well...not too far--to Curacao.)

Damn Aruba! That blonde lady asking for a boycott is not so nutty after all. We must make that corrupt place suffer by refusing to spend our tourist dollars there.

[Canadian Outrage]

Who is it that you know Maggie? Good info you seem to be getting. Depressing if this ONE twit is going to be released tho. The Kalpoe brothers I believe, got dragged into this. The REAL culprit is this cocky little spoiled Dutch brat.

[gingersnaps]

But you weren't there the first night to see how rude and arrogant PVDS was to the Twittys, while ordering his son to keep his mouth shut.

And you weren't there either.

Like I've said, I admire Natalee's mom greatly, but I'm not sure how much stock we should put in the impressions of people who are exhausted, sick with worry, under huge, huge emotional stress.

And to look at it from the other side, I'm not sure I'd be kindly disposed toward strangers pulling up to my house at 3am, honking their horns, demanding to be let in, and jumping on my 17-year old son. (Let me stress, I don't know if that happened, either. But someone has characterized it that way.)

As to "ordering his son to keep his mouth shut," I don't find that at all surprising that a father would say that to his son -- especially a father who is a lawyer. Saying that is practically a reflex for lawyers (btw, if you're privy to that kind of information, do you know if Mr. vdS said that in English or in Dutch?).

I'm not a lawyer, but I myself have counseled my son not to volunteer information in certain situations where he's not certain what's going on.

For example, imagine you're being audited by the IRS. You don't know what triggered the audit, but the IRS, most of us suspect, is out to "get" us -- on any little thing they can find. Even if you know you've been honest, are you going to volunteer information to the IRS? If you do, you're foolish.

So I don't find it incriminating that Mr. vdS would have said that to his son, so early on in a hostile situation and before anyone knew exactly what was happening.

OF course, once the gravity of the situation had become clear and Joran was being questioned by legitimate authorities, he had an obligation to answer the authorities' questions truthfully.

[Canadian Outrage]

I did hear about the Marines on the radio here at work. This island is feeling the pressure.