Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[twigs]

Beth is convinced it's Joran. Absolutely convinced!

I go back and forth about Joran. I don't think he deliberately killed her; he had too much going for him to be that stupid. But while getting rough with her or giving her too much of a drug, etc? Maybe. But I still don't count Dad VDS out. I think it's as possible he's guilty as his son. We heard over the weekend that Natalee had been in the VDS home several days before she disappeared and that he had been with Joran at the casino the night she did disappear. Natalee is a very attractive young woman and he was without his wife at the time. I also don't see that they are as wealthy and priviledged as has been reported. Their home is modest, Joran didn't own a car--didn't even have a driver's license, I believe, and Dad was a civil servant trying to get up further in the system. Would he let his son take the rap for him? He walked out to take a phone call while Greta was there and allowed his wife to continue the interview... I don't know about these two, but I wouldn't rule Dad out. Yet.

[WestCoastGal]

LOL

Ahoy matey!!

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Right on and true to the core. NSNR

[Trust but Verify]

Have you ever been on a cruise? If someone goes missing from a cruise ship, then they have not properly monitored the well-being of the passenger? I really hope you are kidding about this.

[Peach]

Thanks for the updates. We've had storms here that knocked me off the net.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

It doesn't fit their agenda.NSNR

[hummingbird]

She appeared to be much more upset that her son was in jail than van der Sweat to me.

And, she seemed more concerned about Natalie and her family, too.

[onyx]

Yeah, but he was only briefly questioned and had a full 10 days for his hands to heal. Did you read the part in this thread which stated that J is the God son of the police chief.

[pamlet]

Now I don't claim to know whether Joran or Paulus van der Sloot are guilty, or not guilty, of anything. And I don't think anybody else here has much claim on the truth of this case either. There are precious few genuine, certified known FACTS to work with, and there's great reason to doubt the media's sensational reporting and the media's "reliable sources" (what with the ridiculous false stories we've had already). And silly speculation is running stark raving mad.

I totally agree! I think people are so eager to "solve" this that they are grasping onto every little thing they can to hang of these folks. I must admit that with the little bit of what we've been able to observe it seems that they're invovled somehow - but really when you look at it - we know so VERY FEW of the REAL facts. We can make assumptions - but there is SO LITTLE hard evidence.

I really wonder if things were turned around a little - and it was an Aruban girl missing here would we be so quick to accuse the young man... and his family.

My heart breaks for Natalee's family - I know they are hoping against hope for ANY answers - but I worry that we are very quick to rush to a judgment. If these fellows are involved in anyway - all the wild speculation on rumors can only hurt a case against them I think...

[Howlin]

Well, I am back and I see you all have *let* this case get compltely out of control! :-0

[johnb838]

Even though the evidence against the hotel guards was determined to be trumped up, we still believe it to be true... I'm Dan Rather... Reporting.

[the Deejay]

First of all....I've NEVER BEEN ON A discussion thread of Americans 'disappearing'.

So, I DO NOT KNOW what you are talking about.

Where did "I" post anything about Americans and named a cruise ship line?

I repeat, I only stated what has been reported in the news, about people missing from ships. PERIOD!

[onyx]

Well chit, I was just about to call you! I had just written to Mo to ask about you. Nice of you to tell me you were going away. /sarcasm

[PBRSTREETGANG]

Well, then all evidence against him may have been destroyed by the police.

I've read it, but I'm not going there...yet.

I would think someone would notice if his hands were unusually red, scratched and chafed the day after he was with a girl who went missing.

(My personal feeling is that the body was disposed of at sea.)

[Howlin]

Left in a hurry and didn't really have access! Besides, YOU was gone, too!

[sarasota]

Yes. Howlin leaves and the case goes back to square one! (Hope you had some nice time off.)

[Malichi]

But it should. Trying to pin the demise of a young white girl on two black men so that a white kid and his buddies go free has just about the same plot line as the Emmitt Till case.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Yes, in a flat bottomed John boat on the Tombigbee River while cat fishing. Did you like the (liberal) well being? The Captain is overall responsible for the safety and welfare of the passengers on his boat.

It is called safety managment. Good to hear from again. NSNR

[onyx]

Then he would have needed access to a boat. I'm not sure about Aruban waters, but navigating Cayman waters at night is d-i-f-f-i-c-u-l-t, given the barrier reefs.

[Trust but Verify]

Quit being so obtuse. You are posting on such a discussion right now and have been for weeks, and yes, you and others have gone on ad-nauseum about other cases somehow trying to connect them with this one.