Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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[stlnative]

Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[fatima]

TexKat Thanks.I didn't see that one.Natalee did what most of my daughter's classmates did last year -went to Aruba.We only permit family escort Mary did a week in North Carolina with her sister and a friend..

[sissyjane]

Bookmark for morning....

[sissyjane]

oops....forgot to ping self...

[stlnative]

by the timeline I copy & pasted above that came from SM:

I did not know Paulus was in Holland at all. Remember AVDS said she was there for a celebration. Did Paulus pull a "Mark Hacker" on her and tell her that he passed the Judge exams and that was what the family celebration in Holland was about?

Let me really go off base here...

Maybe Joran is hot headed, because of being abused by his father (a$$ beatings). Let's say PVDS wakes up and finds Joran gone in the middle of the night, this sets him off - he is pissed. Maybe PVDS finds his ATM card is missing from his wallet. He calls Joran on Joran's cell phone. He tells his Dad - I am sorry I was just hanging out with this American Girl on Marriott beach. I will call Deepak to bring me home. Joran calls Deepak to come get him. In the mean time Daddy is on his way to the beach to drag Joran home. Maybe PVDS finds him with Natalee and he starts slapping Joran around on the beach. Natalee steps in and PVDS pushes her so hard that she falls and hits her head, bad enough to kill her. Paulus and Joran freak. Deepak has not shown up yet at the beach so he text messages Deepak not to come he has found another ride. Daddy and Joran hurry up and figure out what they need to do with her body and they remove her from the beach area.

I know this is really reaching, but when I first heard about Joran being hot headed, I first thought that he might be an abused child. (not as in molested)

Maybe Paulus was under a lot stress from not passing his exams. Maybe he lied to his whole family that he did pass them (family celebration in Holland). Then finds Joran has snuck out of the house.

[GarySpFc]

Its been reported that the couple of ladies from NJ mistook Natalee for one of the other students.

Note in post 2123 Natalee was reportedly ill at ease with Joran, and then she leaves with him. Hmmmm, it is only a speculation, but I believe he slipped GHB to her just prior to leaving.

[TexKat]

From SM:

In regards to the MB group not talking.......here is the proof they were asked by the Holloway family not to.

Reynolds didn't elaborate, and Barron said people who went on the trip aren't publicly discussing details of what happened in Aruba at the request of Holloway's family, which fears the publicity could hamper the investigation.

[GarySpFc]

Didn't his internet site disappear very quickly once this started breaking open about Natalie being missing?

I saw both of Joran's sites up and running. They were taken down the day priot to his arrest. The kid is a party animal. The two brothers were in several of the pictures.

[TexKat]

A possibility.

[hummingbird]

Thanks for confirmation!

[TexKat]

Is this Dan's way of longwinded way of stating that there is nothing new out there for him to c & p, lol.

Natalee Holloway: Telling "The Big Story's" Little Stories

[hummingbird]

Thanks, GarySpFc. I read some of the middle brothers site and was appalled at the mentality. Gangsta' attitude...don't know if it is still up. As for Joran's sites, who took them down? I don't know how these personal sites are set up nor how they are taken down. These sites (My Place, etc) are real eye openers....and not in a good way. TIA.

[hummingbird]

i don't recall if it was during greta or when Alan was interviewing someone, a girl was SCREAMING in the background. i am sure it was playful screaming, but Lordy, it happened several times and given the subject matter of the interviews i just found it chilling!

I heard the screaming, too, and although it sounded playful, it was horrifying to hear. Very bizarre television moment.

[stlnative]

FYI


OK... The Cyper Cafe where Deepak works closes at 20:00 hours (10PM) on Sunday nights.

This matches up with what was written in those emails that were supposely written by Deepak. (Deepak said he got off work at 10:30pm on Sunday night in those emails)

Deepak's and Satish's Mother was right that the Cypercafe closes at 11:30pm (21:30 hours) but that only on Monday thro Saturdays.



Aruba

Cafe Internet
Royal Plaza Mall #204 (3rd Level)
(in Mall across from Cruise Terminal)
Tel 011 297 824500
email: bizzopp@cybercafe.aw
Monday - Saturday 0830-2130
Sunday 1200-2000

[Irish Eyes]

Bookmark

[PeoplesRepublicOfWashington]

Didn't Greta say that Daddy VDS told her that he was a judge?

[stlnative]

Greta said he called himself a "sitting judge" but she may have said "sit in" judge. Sometimes she is hard to understand. (keep reading as the details are in thread)

[stlnative]

if your at post #2002 you need to go backwards in the thread for the full details on what Geraldo learn from the Aruba Justice Minister.

[PeoplesRepublicOfWashington]

I saw Whorealdo. Daddy VDS flunked out his attempt to be a judge. But, I recall that Greta said the other day, when she and Beth met with the VDSs, that Daddy VDS told her he was a judge. Why would he say that if he just flunked his exam?

[stlnative]

You have a good point... He had already known that he failed his tests at that point. I wonder if he was trying to pull a "Mark Hacking" on his family. PVDS was in Holland up until Saturday the 28th of May, his wife stayed in Holland until June 1st. (Joran was left at home in Aruba). The reason they were in Holland is because the mother/wife said there was a family celebration there. But PVDS had just found out he failed his "Judge" exams like a week before Natalee came up missing. Exams are done in Holland.

Why all the lies even about his employment position to Greta?

[demkicker]

Woke up early and had to check the thread. I'm wondering the same thing, brigette. Greta should do a little digging and find out exactly what the VDS's were celebrating. Of course, they could have gone to Holland for a family wedding, reunion, etc. But it sure would be interesting to know when AVDS found out her hubby flunked his tests.

Do you have any idea if PVDS makes any other kind of living besides 'sitting in' as an occassional judge and studying? Surely he does something else or they've got family money. I doubt AVDS makes enough to support her entire family on a teacher's salary.