Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[cajungirl]

Oh I get it, you said the same thing I said.

Jossy has an interesting history, go google him if you want to.

[stlnative]

He was a civil servant and was going to school to become a judge. He was a "sit in" Judge (meaning it was part of his schooling) and he always had someone over seeing his court work before a judgement would be set in a case he over saw. He went to Holland to take his finals to be a full time judge and he failed his exams, this also took him away from being a sit in judge. (He failed about 1 week before Natalee came up missing when he failed his exams)

Think of a doctor in training... before he earns his PHD. The doctor in training takes his exams at the end of his on the job training and if he fails he has to start back over with training. PVDS does not get a second chance to become a judge, so most likely he would have returned to his civil servant job (possibly a teacher on the islands payroll), but they suspended him after Joran was arrested. So he most likely never went back into his old position before he decided to try and become a judge.

Go back and read a few pages back for more info.

[TexKat]

From Geraldo:

Harris Faulkner's video of Joran did not meet what they are reporting at this time.

[agsloss]

What does Fuhrman say? (I don't have cable). He's a smart cop.

[cajungirl]

Talking about the preppie killere,,film of him,,he looks like hell. Life has been unkind to Chambers, thank God.

[cajungirl]

Furman says Joran didn't walk home from the beach, he is privileged young man who wouldn't walk, would call for a ride. He sees father and son as both behaving "privileged",,i.e. entitled, i.e. naricissitic.

[agsloss]

I have read elsewhere that PVDS' "regular" job was liaison between the Aruban gov't and the Dutch gov't.

[TexKat]

What does Fuhrman say? (I don't have cable). He's a smart cop.

Nothing worth repeating. He was on the phone in Ohio speculating.

Yes Fuhrmn is smart enough to write books to make a living.

[stlnative]

Joran is Daddy's alter ego.

[presently no screen name]

Wouldn't if be something if Aruba asked Geraldo to leave if he starts reporting lies or embellishes some facts. Maybe he was already warned from his boss.

[Bush gal in LA]

Can't understand why everyone thinks that arresting the dad will put pressure on the son to talk. If the son is truly a sociopath, that kind of monster cares for noone but themselves. They aren't capable of emotions like normal people!

[TexKat]

From Geraldo:

Jug would like AVDS to be brought in for questioning.

Beth thinks that the interrogation is not going to well with PVDS.

[TexKat]

Wouldn't if be something if Aruba asked Geraldo to leave if he starts reporting lies or embellishes some facts. Maybe he was already warned from his boss.

LMAO!!

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Are you referring to the dark haired girl BOR was interviewing a few nights back? I observed quite well and I think she was both jealous&not a real friend of Natalee's. I sensed she was a demon in human form. The numbers for that girl just do not add up. NSNR

[stlnative]

The Dutch government oversees Aruba, so yes he would be a civil servant to both. Exams were in the Netherlands, he failed them. Some people say he was a teacher of law history before he started going to school to become a judge.

['61 Libertarian]

The best hope to solve this case is to find the body!

[Palladin]

Fuhrman said what we have been saying (I think he reads here): That the son was with the girl when she either died accidentally or was killed by JVDS; son called the Dad; the Dad said Rut-Roh, I gotta clean up this mess. They spent the rest of the hours before dawn disposing of evidence and concocting an alibi.

I was just thinking: what if the elder VDS got that money from the ATM to buy a plane ticket and send Joran out of Aruba to a non-extraditable country, like those Connecticut parents of rapist Alex Kelly did? But before he could shuffle him off, Anita came home from Holland and the Twittys showed up on the island. (Flight or fight theory).

[Palladin]

Yes, that's our Frances Ellen.

[presently no screen name]

Do you remember the interview w/Greta and two girls? If so, do you recall Greta asking if NH returned to the HI and the girl said "yes and that is all I'm going to say about that". Not exactly words but something do that effect?

[cajungirl]

Maybe Fran is jealous nat is getting all the "attention". I knew girls like that growing up.