Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative
Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...
Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts
Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts
Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts
Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts
Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts
Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts
Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts
Aruba Info...
Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif
Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif
San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif
Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)
Hotel Pictures -
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)
Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1
Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1
Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg
Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html
Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif
Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)
Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/
Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html
Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html
Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)
Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/
Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923
Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.
Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif
The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long
B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.
D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.
D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.
G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located
D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives
F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.
C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.
E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.
PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.
I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.
This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.
Examples
Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif
or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)
I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE
Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)
This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.
I don't know brigette. I don't think that I saw the original rumor, just saw it being discussed.
So it's all coming together. The Editor in Chief hinted at something going down today, and I imagine Beth Holloway Twitty had a tip Pappa Paulus was going to be arrested..so maybe that's why she ducked out of the meeting last night.
sw
There could have been a lot of things that figured into his decision. Including the hope that she would appear. I suspect, however, he was pretty angry with Joran if it played out in the manner I suggest. And/or, it is also possible, as you know, we all know men who would say to their son "Hey, well you should have been home, and we won't tell your Mom. But Hehehe, did you have a good time, son? Wink wink? " Those men are everywhere, hoping for their son's "right of passage."
And, as I said, and as many of us might have observed in our travels, teens on these trips (Spring break, etc.) often spend the night on the beach because of drinking, or just because they want to have done so. In the morning I have often seen them come staggering back, looking pretty rough, to the motels. Even Natalee's roommates were not alarmed when she was not in her room and figured she flopped in another room or something. Kids just don't think sometimes.
Dad's should, but, you know, not always. I bet if Mrs. VDS had been home, as she seems more the "in charge, do it right" type, Joran would have been taken right down to the police - and then given punishment for breaking the rules.
If he is not at all responsible look what his sneaking out has caused his family, and probably his plans for college, etc.
Of course, if he is there is no reason he should not pay the highest price of their judicial system. I just hope that the case can be solved "without a reasonable doubt," for all concerned.
Remember that Beth Holloway was with Greta, and the two of them went in and spoke to both wife and Paulus for about 90 min. That was meant to bring the two upset families together, not meant to be an outright interview with the parents.
So Greta probably said something like, "I want to give you both opportunity to present YOUR point of view, just as I gave the Holloways that chance in my interviews with them." And they went for it.
I was wondering if something he said during that first talkfest might have been told to the police and they cross-checked it with what he had told them, and something did not match up, even BEFORE the latest interview with the two.
Yes the Mansur guy.
Thanks for the ping, TexKat. I don't have CNN on, so missed that very interesting interview. Maybe this will unravel at long last. MSNBC just had on a former FBI investigator who said arresting Paulus raises the ante, that they think he might possess some knowledge of events and N's whereabouts. It's also a great way to apply pressure on Joran. Funny, how circumspect the FBI seems to be on tv, even the ex-FBI men, that Mona Lisa smile they all seem to have -- as if they know what's up and won't tell for fear of jeopardizing future convictions.
I posted it TexKat ... I'll look for it.
I do pray for Natalee.
If what I suspect happened actually did, then her life went from exhilirating happiness to utter horror to over...in a very brief time span.
You're right about Greta's cleverly maneuvering the vdS's into that second interview. As for Papa v.d.S, when you lie, it's just about impossible to keep the lie going. You tend to embroider, embellish, and then can't keep anything straight. No wonder he was sweating and wringing his hands. And that terrible moment caught on tape when the camera zoomed in on the sweat trickling down his forehead. He didn't dare take out a handkerchief and wipe his face!
There is a good chance that Greta may have helped in getting him arrested, as in behind the scenes. Feeding questions to PVDS like she was interviewing him, but was really pounding him to see if he would slip up.
When Beth came out of the VDS house the other day, she looked stunned and numb.
We have not seen the full interview that Greta did with the VDS's yesterday. Is it possible that Greta recorded what went on behind closed doors when Beth was with her?
I wonder if Greta will stay in Aruba over the weekend or not. I hope she does and I hope she is there next week also.
sw
no I missed it :-(
Joran feels that the police are "dissing" his dad.
He has been listening to too much rap.
UNCONFIRMED
Here are the "family member's" posts from Riehl:
Quote:
I'm in Mountain Brook and from the people who have recently returned from Aruba is that Van der Sloot's dad was seen at a McDonald's at 3 a.m. the night Natalee disappeared.
I don't think this has been reported in the mainstream media so hopefully this will help those of of you who are following this closely. This is my first post here and I'm posting something I think all of you might find significant.
Natalee goes missing at about 1 to 1:30 a.m. and the Van der Sloot's dad is seen at a McDonalds at 3a.m. I assume the dad has a job and would have to be at work the next day. There to me it is very suspicious.......
Quote:
Arubagirl, thanks for the info. I'm just repeating what I've heard in the hopes that the people here will find it helpful. Since McDonald's closes at 1 am, myabe he was at another fast food joint at 3 a.m. and maybe he was at McDonald's even though it was closed. I don't know. But this info was given to me by a family member and FWIW, the fact that father was out that late is why he is not being allowed to see his son in prison. His behavior that night is considered to be very suspicious.
Quote:
Arubagirl, it sounds like you doubt me. While the "where" of my post may be wrong, I am very confident that the dad was out at 3 a.m. and that the authorities are extremely suspicious.
Hint: the person who told me this has the last name of Twitty.
Quote:
Moey, Jan, the point I'm trying to get across is this: he was seen somewhere - I heard McDonalds - at 3 a.m. , the authorities are so suspicious that they won't allow him to see Joran in jail.
That's the horror in all this. Natalee gone without a trace, and we're left to wonder if she suffered, is she dead, or worse, if it's worse, I can't make up my mind -- to wonder if she was drugged and sold into prostitution by some slave ring. There's no way to think up a plausible and happy end with Natalee restored to her family, safe and sound. The loss is profound. Beyond the love and agony her family feels, we lost a young woman who wanted to become a doctor and heal others. This tragedy didn't have to happen, and maybe that's the ultimate lesson.
Good Work Maggie
It looks like Texas search group is mostly over in Aruba now. The dogs might not be there yet, they were having problems getting them over there since they have to ride in the cabin.
Fox is talking about Paul VDS's "amnesia"? Could this be because he can't recall if he woke his son up to go to school?
John Gibson on FOX is suggesting they may be considering that Natalee was taken to the VDS's house. IOW's a rope a dope involving the Casino, since they can't find Joran on tape at the hour he said he was there.
sw
Hmm, just now on Fox, a family friend by the name of Murphy, also searching for N, said there was misdirection going on by Papa Van der Sloot that night. They were told to leave and go to McD's, and suddenly Joran's back home. How? Was he at home all the time? Evidently Beth made an offhand remark that N might have been in the house that night, and if so the father had to know. The Equus search team has arrived and says if they searched the house with their cadaver dogs, and N was buried there, they'd find her. But they don't have the regular search dogs along, so wouldn't be able to tell if she'd been there, alive.
That's the trouble with liars. It's hard to determine when they're telling the truth. WHY would the Kalpoe's lie to the police and risk being a target themselves? Wonder if the sloots offered them money? Otherwise, It doesn't make much sense.
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