Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative
I knew I remembered hearing that. Someone said joran had been hanging around her for a couple of days.
The mother is out of town and the dad apparently likes to "party" at the casino's.
Maybe the boys take Natalee to Joran's house, things get out of control.
Then, dad gets home and helps to "clean things up".
Don't take that to the bank presently no screen name, yall, because I thought that somewhere along the line that changed. But I have spent unsuccessfully an hour + trying to find confirmation that it was Satish that attended school with Joran.
Joining us live from Birmingham, Alabama, are two of Natalee's best friends, Frances Ellen Byrd and Ruth McVay. They were both on the trip with Natalee.
Frances Ellen, when you were in Aruba, did you ever feel unsafe?
FRANCES ELLEN BYRD, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FRIEND: I wouldn't say that. Not really.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you go to Carlos and Charlie's (search), Frances Ellen?
BYRD: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: What did you think of it?
BYRD: It was just a place for us to go at night and all be together. Since the sun was down and we weren't on the beach anymore, we just went there.
VAN SUSTEREN: Ruth, you were present when Natalee met Joran van der Sloot (search), is that right?
RUTH MCVAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FRIEND: That's right.
VAN SUSTEREN: Where were you?
MCVAY: We were in our hotel casino. And that was the first night that she had ever met him. Contrary to other stories that are circulating, she did not know him before that night.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. And when you say the fist night, was that the night of May 29 into the 30th, when she missed her flight home?
MCVAY: Yes, ma'am.
VAN SUSTEREN: And Ruth, how did you happen to notice him? What was it about him that caught your attention?
MCVAY: He didn't. He was sitting at our blackjack table, and he just seemed like a normal teenager. He wasn't flirting. He wasn't really outgoing at all. And Natalee, just in passing, introduced herself and walked off. And nothing was strange or out of the ordinary about him at all.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160385,00.html
Hi, just got back - a busy life has a way of interfering with posting on Free Republic, LOL. Can't be here all the time, too much to do and enjoy.
But, I don't know if anyone responded to you or not. If so, sorry for the repeat reply. Your idea is a good thought. But I have taken several ferries with vehicles and have always had to have the car completely empty. Now the ferries have been long term ones, and I don't know about short jonts. Nor if there is any one from Aruba to anywhere. Maybe. Maybe Venezuela? Just don't know. Just my experience that on the ferries we used we had to have the car completely empty. Trunk, glove compartment, everywhere.
If, however that is possible - good hiding place! I suspect you thought of those dear little boys in New Jersey. That is really tough - 3 boys, 3 families now traumatized. So sad.
freep mail this to me since this not what I am working on right now.
Maybe pops was out gambling all night and that would explain the trips to the ATM..It would also explain the inconsistencies in his story if he didn't want his wife to find out..I also wondered before if they took NH to VD'S house because that is where he would have the web cam..Pops is out all night and the kids have the place to themselves
Kewl graphics!
" They arrive at about 12:10 am - They hang around Joran's house for about 15 minute before leaving for Carlos N' Charlies at about 12:25 am. Joran sneaks out off the VDS property. ...
They all 3 arrive at Carlos N' Charlies at about 12:30 am. "
A couple things stand out in this time frame. It took 15 minute for JvdS to sneak out?
A five minute commute from vdS's to Cn'C?
O'Reilly then asked Edward if he had a problem with Natalee leaving with Joran, Edward replied no because he himself had caught a ride with one of the bartenders, that he (Edward) was fluent in spanish.
You are right. The car trunk notion popped into my head for two reasons. The little kids in NY, and my youthful days spent on a well-known island off Cape Cod that uses a car ferry to haul both cars, trucks, and people back aand forth.
I tried to put my head around an accidental death, and where to hide the body, and the car ferry seemed the most logical. Get the body off-island, and then drive anywhere to bury it.
Sorry... I am not going to add all that Lizarde...
it clearly says at the top of the timeline...
This information is from several sources that are all unconfirmed. Everything is unconfirmed until the Police in Aruba start telling us or the media what is true and what is not true.
If you all want me to do this then you have to be brief and to the point, this is not something I want to spend days on creating.
Now hold on (don't get offended)... my next post will show you an update of it. (TexKat I updated it with the info you gave me)
McVay and Kissel do not have their stories straight. No wonder Dash was looking at Kissel strange. Which one is not telling the truth. Why would Kissel lie. Remember Kissel said that other students said that they thought that Joran was a nice guy.
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We'll meet beyond the shore
We'll kiss just as before
Happy we'll be beyond the sea
And never again I'll go sailin'
To my knowledge, none of Natalee's friends or classmates have verified they witnessed Natalee yelling out the window or Deepak stopping to supposedly ask Natalee if she wanted out of the car. Personally, I think that's part of their memorized cover-up. Otherwise, we should have all heard from the kids who witnessed the drive-off. This is one of those little rehearsed details they used to convince everyone that Natalee WANTED to go with them.
I know this is pure speculation, but chances are that Natalee & Joran walked out and hung out in the parking lot around Depak's car as everyone was leaving. He convinced her that they'd drive her over to the HI since the taxi's had departed. During that time, he slipped a 'mickey' in her drink. They probably drove off with Natalee completely unconscious. Just my speculative 2 cents...
"KISSEL: I didn't know him, but I had seen -- he had been around the hotel and the casino with her and with her friends, her closer friends, just hanging out around the hotel for the last few days, two or three days. "
"O'REILLY: All right. So Natalee obviously knew him, then, was familiar with him. And when you saw him dancing with her, that didn't set off any bells. Was Natalee intoxicated, in your opinion?"
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Well I heard she did say this... This is why I really do not want to do this timeline as too many things have been put out there now.
Kissel said joren had been hanging around with Natalee and "her closer friends". I don't think any of the kids that have given interviews have been among her "closer friends". Remember, they all broke up into groups.
so they slip something into her drink before they leave the bar..They drive around until she falls asleep then take her to the VD house..this way she doesn't know where she is..J wakes up at 6 am but Nat doesn't..J then calls Crows for help..this is where the father come into the picture
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