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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Link to previous thread ^ | 6/23/05 | freepers

Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative

Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923


Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.


Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.


PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)



I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE


Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)


This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.




TOPICS: US: Alabama; Your Opinion/Questions
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To: dc-zoo

hard to say - Greta may have seen the inconsistencies herself and handed it over... who knows.. police may not have even moved on the that - but rather on evidence found on computers, etc...


141 posted on 06/23/2005 12:50:33 PM PDT by pamlet
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To: Howlin

I don't think we have the exact quote. It's hearsay from SG John ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1423368/posts

Kalpoe also allegedly told John that about an hour after dropping the couple off he received a cell phone text message from the Dutch teen, saying he would e-mail Kalpoe as soon as he got home. Kalpoe said the Dutch youth never sent the promised message, John said.


142 posted on 06/23/2005 12:51:04 PM PDT by maggief
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To: sarasota

Yes, Greta was on Shep's show in the last hour--he asked her if she could be back for his evening show (on satellite)...she said yes.

You bet she's not going home until tomorrow...she wants to know what happens at 8 p.m.

That's so funny about CNN dogging her steps, and getting all their "scoops" a half hour after Greta has already reported them.


143 posted on 06/23/2005 12:51:09 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)
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To: Howlin

I do think they believed the body behind the cemetary was a suicide. But I thought there was a more recent suicide where the guy drove his red pick-up out to the beach after talking of suicide and hasn't been heard from again.

(I could be wrong as this is from things I've read on AM Digital which isn't the best written paper in the world.)


144 posted on 06/23/2005 12:51:32 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Sunshine55

I forgot about the wringing of his hands. Greta mentioned that.


145 posted on 06/23/2005 12:52:17 PM PDT by maggief
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To: TexKat

Thanks for the ping, TexKat! Greta sure is maling Geraldo look bad.


146 posted on 06/23/2005 12:52:29 PM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: hershey

Hard to believe people are stupid enough to believe they can talk about things like that in email and not leave a record.


147 posted on 06/23/2005 12:52:46 PM PDT by johnb838 (Adios, mofo!)
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To: Palladin
I was not going to post anymore because the posts had become so heated and I just hate to see such anger over something none of us can really know for sure. As I said before: I was one of the early "rush to judgement" people; but I have tried to pull back and get a more objective view. Both teens acted a bit irresponsably and whatever happened is very tragic for both, and has destroyed their lives (possibly caused the loss of Natalee's) and that of their families'. IMHO I think it was a terrible calammity of errors that took place as a result of unplanned and spontaneous actions that, I believe, were probably ignited by their youth, hormones, and maybe passion. Who hasn't felt those urges when a young teen tasting the first drops of freedom? Along these lines: Greta just touched on a very plausable scenerio.

Greta said: "... maybe Joran left Nat on the beach, maybe she had passed out. Dumb act..." But we also know that is possible. Shep Smith commented "Wouldn't be the first guy to have done that." I know that as in college kids would pass out and be left wherever they were. It drove me nuts!

Following that it could be that Joran walked home, told dad, who was angry that Joran snuck out and left girl on beach. Dad goes to get Nat...and she was gone!

Now the quandry: None of the three boys is responsible, really. Maybe they all figured she woke up and went back to the motel. But then they became frightened as to how they could be implicated since she it became known that she had disappeared and they saw her last. Could be all the current known players were in the wrong place at the wrong time. It could also be some real, hardened criminal saw her and took Natalee, or she wandered somewhere dangerous.

Police, of course, were not told anything by the boys or Daddy VDS that would incriminate them, out of their own fright. Or, that may have been their tactic at first because they figured she just walked back to the motel. Daddy VDS compounded his son's dumb mistake by not handling it properly. Maybe he, also, just hoped she would show up and truly thought she wandered back to her hotel? Those things often happen at these places, esp. among the young people. It would not have been unusual. Paulus VDS could then have been as surprised as everyone else was when he found out she was not with her group in the morning.

We still have no evidence of the truth.

I am praying and praying that no one who is innocent is implicated, and if there is a guilty person that he is found and gets the worst possible sentance in their justice system.

I am also praying that Natalee didn't just take a wrong turn, end up in the ocean and that "mistake" causes some others trouble none ever imagined, because how could any "proof" of that ever be offered?

If there is any moral to this story it is "Kids....listen to your parents!!! Don't go out with strangers and take risks in the middle of the night. Don't go hanging out in drinking/party places without someone else you know attached to your hip!!! Don't sneak out of the house at night to meet someone when you are supposed to be home. And don't drink to the point that you loose your ability to think and act as you normally would. Terrible things can happen that could change your life forever. And don't --- no matter what--- tell a lie, even if you are guilty or if you are innocent!!!

I bet these two teens - Natalee and Joran - would tell you that if they could!

148 posted on 06/23/2005 12:53:03 PM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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To: Palladin; jacquej
Croes said he was arrested under "reasonable suspicion" in the disappearance of Holloway. He is now in his first 6 hours of interrogation. When that ends at 8 p.m. tonight, a judge will decide whether to hold the elder van der Sloot for another 48 hours.

If his 48 hours ends at 8 p.m. tonight, then when was he arrested?

I was taken it that he had just been arrested some time today.

149 posted on 06/23/2005 12:53:24 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: maggiefluffs

I thought I read somewhere he said "We need to talk," or somethign like that. I could be wrong.


150 posted on 06/23/2005 12:54:44 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: hershey

It's really amazing, isn't it?

I've followed a lot of cases on cablenews/internet, and this is the first where a TV reporter may have made the difference in the outcome.

Of course, Greta bonded immediately with Beth Holloway, and ever since, they've been acting like a joint task force of two.

Wonderwoman and her little sister.


151 posted on 06/23/2005 12:54:50 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)
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To: Howlin
This is what I get for going out!

Me, too.

152 posted on 06/23/2005 12:55:09 PM PDT by Otta B Sleepin
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To: Howlin

Me too, Howlin. Went to get a haircut and look what has happened. I hope and pray that real answers are coming forth.


153 posted on 06/23/2005 12:55:41 PM PDT by kcat
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To: CitizenM

I was listening to the father of a girl who was only beaten to within an INCH of her life advise that two is really not enough, you need to be in a group of three or more. I think it's good advice.


154 posted on 06/23/2005 12:55:42 PM PDT by johnb838 (Adios, mofo!)
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To: TexKat

The 6 hours ends at 8 p.m. He was arrested about 2 p.m.


155 posted on 06/23/2005 12:56:03 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)
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To: Otta B Sleepin; kcat

Did either one of you all happen to pick up some food for my cats and dogs? :-)

If not, I'm going out again, it seems!


156 posted on 06/23/2005 12:57:44 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Palladin

Sigh, where did I go wrong? A question I've asked myself over and over. As to the 12 year old who lied about the report card, he ended up at MIT at 15. He'd pick my brain about politics, and I thought I'd indoctrinated him pretty well in conservative thought. But where is he now? In NZ, a psych professor at a University, committed to whatever Liberal anti-American nonsense the EU crowd and Cambridge lefties believe. He was in MA few weeks ago and we almost had a food fight at the family barbeque.


157 posted on 06/23/2005 12:57:51 PM PDT by hershey
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To: maggiefluffs

Could there be something he said when Beth and Greta were there and the camera was off, when they surprised him by showing up unannounced? Are we certain that she is only talking about the exclusive on-camera she did with wife and hubby? Just wondering...


158 posted on 06/23/2005 12:58:05 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: Palladin
Tattoo water taxi


159 posted on 06/23/2005 12:59:01 PM PDT by maggief
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To: Howlin

Just give the cats tuna fish and the dogs, well...mine likes french bread.


160 posted on 06/23/2005 1:01:08 PM PDT by kcat
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