Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[maggief]

You are probably right. But wasn't the rumor that JvdS won money that night, correct?

[maggief]

IIRC, Beth has stated a couple of times she thought Natalee was in the house early Monday morning, 3:00am.

And, she sensed Natalee's presence when Beth herself visited the home.

[Howlin]

Where did this story that PVDS met Natalee at the casino come from? I listened to Greta and I thought she said Natalee's mother met them at the casino.

[Howlin]

The email said he won about $100 back and then stopped.

Of course, all that could be useless information.

[spectre]

LOL, Citizen. We're melting here in Arkansas as well. It would be fun to all get together at her place..can't think of better group for good conversation. Now, about that air-fare?!!!$$$$

sw

[stlnative]

Ok... so Beth thinks that Natalee was taken to the VDS home around 3am early Monday morning. When Beth was there some 24 hours later (3:00am Tuesday morning) she had sensed that Natalee had been there or possibly Beth sensed her body was there at that time. Maybe Beth thinks her body was hidden at VDS home, but it took LE 2 weeks after that to search the home.

We don't know if police looked around the home that night at 3am on Tuesday May 31 2005.

[spectre]

You're asking ME?! I haven't the slightest.

I can't even confirm where the story about the early morning ATM withdrawals came from.

The only thing that is relevant about time (IF TRUE), would be that Paul or Joran needed money to pay someone off to do something bad.

Any other ideas?

sw

[maggief]

One of Natalee's friends, not Dash, said that Natalee went up to JvdS at the casino and made some comment. I think it was the smaller dark haired girl, two girlfriends were present for the FNC interview.

[spectre]

Brig...do you think LE found evidence that Natalee was indeed there at 3AM? An email or something like that on Joran's computer she might have sent? I can't figure it out.

sw

[Velveeta]

Where did this story that PVDS met Natalee at the casino come from?

I heard it too, on Greta last night.

Greta said that Paulus and Joran were at the casino Sunday night. Paulus left the casino at some point and Joran was still there. Then the story skips to Joran calling Paulus from the McD's at 11:00pm to get picked up.

Greta did not know how Joran got to the McD's, but she did state that it's not that far to walk from the casino to McD's.

[maggief]

Her name is Ruth something or something Ruth.

[stlnative]

This is the way I understand it (compiled from reading here and other boards)

Police have video of JVDS and Natalee being in the casino on Saturday. (Not sure if it shows them actually making contact)

Some of her friends say she was seen near him in the casino 2 days before she came up missing.

Some other friends say she talked to him Sunday night at the casino. There is video also of this that the police have.

Deepak says in the email (don't know if the email is real) that Joran told him he met her on Sunday at the HI casino.

Greta said on her show last night that there was contact between JVDS, PVDS and Natalee in the HI Casino on Sunday night in the bar area of the casino.

[spectre]

OR..Joran might have taken a digital picture of her with the time and date on it? He wouldn't be so stupid to have saved it if he did, would he?

sw

[Velveeta]

You're timeline is interesting and makes me wonder:

~ 12:30am JVDS, Satish, Deepak arrive at CnC's
~ 1:00am Bar Closes

These guys know that CnC's closes at 1:00pm, yet they go through all the effort of getting there and getting Joran there for 1/2 an hour of socializing.

Hmmmm. Or did they know (premeditate) that there was more to come that night????

[stlnative]

don't know

[maggief]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160385,00.html

VAN SUSTEREN: Ruth, you were present when Natalee met Joran van der Sloot (search), is that right?

RUTH MCVAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FRIEND: That's right.

VAN SUSTEREN: Where were you?

MCVAY: We were in our hotel casino. And that was the first night that she had ever met him. Contrary to other stories that are circulating, she did not know him before that night.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. And when you say the fist night, was that the night of May 29 into the 30th, when she missed her flight home?

MCVAY: Yes, ma'am.

VAN SUSTEREN: And Ruth, how did you happen to notice him? What was it about him that caught your attention?

MCVAY: He didn't. He was sitting at our blackjack table, and he just seemed like a normal teenager. He wasn't flirting. He wasn't really outgoing at all. And Natalee, just in passing, introduced herself and walked off. And nothing was strange or out of the ordinary about him at all.

[CitizenM]

Yes, that girl said Natalee introduced herself to Joran. I have referred to that conversation before. that is where the conflict among the friends come in. Some said she had been with Joran before; those girls said she was at the same gambling table and got up and introduced herself. So when she really "met" Joran seems to be unknown even among her friends.

[stlnative]

from what I understand they were only there a short amount of time. 30 minutes or so.

[spectre]

If all of them made contact in the HI casino bar, then they definitely have that on tape.

sw