Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[hummingbird]

"Come to Aruba...we are not a party nation!"

Sorry, its just the jealousy talking...that, and drinking Gatorade alone on Friday night!

(Plus, Mr. h is in the doghouse....)

[hummingbird]

Look under his picture: it says "I love Natalie"

Yeah, that is weird...especially with the "lol" after it. Wonder when it was taken, but I guess this Natalie is the girlfriend (?) in the picture with him.

[vigilante2]

nobody noticed him missing until now?

[hummingbird]

"...they all flash the same signs at the camera and wear the same silver neck chain... interesting?

Posers...

[hummingbird]

Snoop that I am, I just love it when I get those accidental phone calls and you can listen to what is going on if you so desire. :)

Same here...Mum's cell phone accidentally rang me the other day but all I heard was her telling my Dad that Kroger had cheese on sale.

I told her about it so she bought a sturdier cover for her phone! But, who knows; maybe Beth rang Natalie's number & the cell went off in the PVDS house...

[hummingbird]

Report: 3 missing N.J. boys found dead inside car trunk.

Another heart breaker.....

[hummingbird]

Plus, he might not want to have written a check...would leave a paper trail. Cash would be safer, as long as the ATM wasn't checked out.

[hummingbird]

Maybe the Texans should check that area first if it is well known that illegals try to enter Aruba near the reefs. DJ, VDS' could take DJ's boat out there....

[hummingbird]

NO MORE AMBIEN for me..no way!

Ask your dr. about switching to Klonopin Wafers. Ambien gave me the night time "amnesia" and I always felt a "drug hangover" the next day, even though I took a low dose. Klonopin doesn't seem so harsh on the system.

Of course, a hot toddy and a good book sometimes work, too!

And, now back to our regularly scheduled thread....

[hummingbird]

Hee, hee, hee....

[hummingbird]

Thanks for the link...very depressing.

Man-oh-man, that U.N. better get right on this/sarc.

[hummingbird]

I kept hearing the party background music, too...it was surreal. Felt very odd considering the circumstances.

[hummingbird]

Thank you for sharing your perspective, CitizenM. I'm always ashamed later for speculations I make in the beginning. Think I'll reel myself in a bit. Thanks, again, and I am so sorry to hear of what happened to your family and the family of the boy who was innocent.

[hummingbird]

Pick anything to do with Bush or Rove; you'll see it.

Oh, that "wascally" Rove! Really bunched up some panties-D, didn't he?! LOL!

[Queen Jadis]

yeah, I have to go back to view the irony of the quote that the Aruban officials (loosely quoted) "we can't go in like cowvboys" used a few days ago...when the essence of their justice system is to do just that, they held 2 completely innocent minorities on the basis of finger pointing.They held and sullied the name of 2 innocent persons (and their families) without the benefit of a lawyer and the higher threshold of evidence that is demanded in the American system.

I sense that their prejudices toward the American system is based on ignorance and an annoying false sense of superiority...how many times have you heard "you don't understand our system" with an air of arrogance and assumption of American "stupidity". I am so glad that Beth Holloway and the American Media cleaned the official's clock, for too long the "Aruban Officials" have been the essence of the "cowboy " justice that they wrongly accused our more fair system of justice of.

Of late they have changed their tune...but the arrogance and demeaning attitude of the officials on this Island has not been lost on me.

[beyond the sea]

I just told my husband that and he chuckled and said "wouldn't it be funny if there was a serial killer in that high school class"

Aha, now I see where you may get some of your very excellent sense of humor.

;-)

[Queen Jadis]

Your post gave me pause to think. I do think that the events of detaining persons in this case have been very suspect, even considering the differneces of Aruban law vs. American. One cannot discount two events.The first one being the letting go of the three boys and then detaining them a week or so later(thus losing valubal forensic evidence) and the holding of two innocent suspects. The second being the very aggresive move of detaining Paul Van de Sloot. If he were involved in any way given the allowances of the Aruban Justice system they should have held his son immediately. If "God Forbid" Natalee had been dumped in the ocean the most likely route to finding her would be sooner rather than later. Still, I do see your point, I just wish the "officials" had handled things differently in order to give more credibility.

[cajungirl]

complicity to kidnap? Maybe after she was kidnapped, taken against her will at some point, and before she was dead, maybe unconscious or near death, he helped conceal her from the public and didn't get help. And then she died and so he was a party, by concealing her, to kidnapping and murder. \

[cajungirl]

For just a minute I thought you were talking about Aruba and I was going "whoa! Stonewall Jackson was shot in Aruba" , boy Aruba has a long bad history. Then I read on and said "Robert E Lee lived in Aruba! How could I have not known that!!".

Your post made me laugh at myself!

[xsmommy]

it is very incongruous to have them talking about a potential murder with the music playing. and last night, i don't recall if it was during greta or when Alan was interviewing someone, a girl was SCREAMING in the background. i am sure it was playful screaming, but Lordy, it happened several times and given the subject matter of the interviews i just found it chilling!