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Nevada lawmakers move to protect immigrants
Las VegaS sUN ^ | June 17, 2005 | KATHLEEN HENNESSEY

Posted on 06/17/2005 9:18:36 PM PDT by bayourod

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To: mthom
My apologies. What tweaking would make Tancredo's effective compared to Cornyn's or Bush's or McCain's.

It really doesn't make any difference because all of the bills will be introduced, sent to committee, changes made, submitted to House and Senate and finally the conference committee will write the guest worker bill that will pass.

161 posted on 06/19/2005 6:04:00 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: bayourod
While we're at it. Why do you keep pushing Op Gatekeeper like you do? It was a Clinton enacted program. Its been criticized by many, including border agents, that claimed it was designed to fail while dulling the anti-illegal feeling cause by the striking down of prop 187. It was so poorly done apparently (5-30% catch rate?) that it managed to make it EASIER for border jumpers that usually get caught at 66-75% by our current border patrol. Too many strikes against it for me to take it seriously.
162 posted on 06/19/2005 6:13:49 PM PDT by mthom
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To: mthom
How was it designed to fail? Take a look at the CBP site on it.
163 posted on 06/19/2005 6:24:28 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: Tripoli

Yes, he is. Bayourod is a predictable advocate of illegal behavior.


164 posted on 06/19/2005 6:35:05 PM PDT by Theo
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To: bayourod
The misunderstanding comes from the anti-illegals who continuously repeat the lie the "illegals don't pay taxes".

The lie is your statement.

The fact is illegals don't pay taxes, or at least their evasion is grossly disproportionate to their representation in the "Taxpayer" population. IOW, if, for example, illegals represent 3% of the U.S population, they are responsible for 30% of tax fraud. (Those are illustrative numbers, I do not know the actual percentages--but then who does?).

You portray those against illegal immigration as "anti-illegal", but wouldn't "Pro-Law" be more accurate?

165 posted on 06/20/2005 1:03:32 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: bayourod
It really doesn't make any difference because all of the bills will be introduced, sent to committee, changes made, submitted to House and Senate and finally the conference committee will write the guest worker bill that will pass.

And what is going to make these "guest workers" return to their home countries after their participation in the guest worker program has expired? Absolutely nothing! You might as well replace the word "guest" with the word "permanent" because that's what they'll become, permanent workers. Then after they've been here long enough, they'll be in line for the next amnesty, and then American citizenship. And then the next group of "guest workers" will arrive in the U.S. and the whole process starts all over again.

166 posted on 06/20/2005 1:17:34 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: judgeandjury

What difference does it make? After the law is passed you will worship it and if you complain I wiil shout "It's the LAW, It's the LAW. What don't you understand about the LAW?"


167 posted on 06/20/2005 3:45:18 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: Auntie Dem
"The fact is illegals don't pay taxes"

Do you have a source for that?

168 posted on 06/20/2005 3:47:47 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: Theo
"Bayourod is a predictable advocate of illegal behavior. "

No I'm not. I simply oppose those who are anti-bush, anti-Republican and are using the immigration issue to enrich themselves and sabotage the Republicans. I correct the myths, distortions, half-truths and disinformation the antis spread.

Do you ever stop to think about the truthfulness of your statements? It's a slippery slope.

169 posted on 06/20/2005 3:56:51 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: bayourod
Do you have a source for that?

Yes--34 years of experience--14 first-hand inside the IRS, 20 since leaving. My current and past clients included construction companies and landscapers who had to compete with other companies hiring illegals, and competing against the illegals themselves. The illegals started out working as W-2 employees under bogus SSN's, but in recent years have progressed to the Independent Contractor scam.

With all the preferences accorded to illegals because of the fear of being branded "racist", it is very easy for an illegal to start a business (most don't even bother filing incorporation papers at all--just give the general contractor their "Business" name and a bogus EIN)

170 posted on 06/20/2005 4:00:07 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: taxesareforever
I would like some cold hard facts that illegals are paying taxes. And I mean federal income tax,

& how do you pay income tax w/o a SSN ?

171 posted on 06/20/2005 4:01:55 PM PDT by AlBondigas
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To: bayourod

See? Your unbridled immigration is causing problems. However, it is *you* who doesn't seem to see it or care about the problems it brings.


172 posted on 06/20/2005 4:06:17 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (In God We Trust. All Others We Monitor.)
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To: Auntie Dem

I take it that's a "no I don't have any source for my statement that illegals don't pay taxes."


173 posted on 06/20/2005 4:17:06 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: AlBondigas

Who says that they have a SSN? You say they are paying income tax. How do you know that?


174 posted on 06/20/2005 4:57:24 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: bayourod
I take it that's a "no I don't have any source for my statement that illegals don't pay taxes."

Well of course, you would "take it" that way. Let me put it in the vernacular of our esteemed liberal media: I am a direct "unnamed source"--you may call me "Deep Taxes".

I don't have to cite a third-party source--I witnessed the non-payment of taxes directly. And not just a "few". In 14 years inside the IRS I personally reviewed, prepared or processed over a million tax returns. My first-hand observations cannot be classified as "anecdotal".

175 posted on 06/20/2005 5:28:39 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: Auntie Dem
"I personally reviewed, prepared or processed over a million tax returns. "

Exactly how did you know which ones were from illegal aliens?

176 posted on 06/20/2005 6:22:49 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: judgeandjury

Very interesting that Bayourod would refuse to give an actual reply to your post.


177 posted on 06/20/2005 7:18:45 PM PDT by mthom
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To: bayourod

If Bushs plan would mean workers come in and work for 3-6 years and then return home most of your hated "antis" would support it. But we all know that there would be a whole lot of rotating in and very little rotating out.


178 posted on 06/20/2005 7:38:13 PM PDT by mthom
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To: bayourod
What difference does it make? After the law is passed you will worship it and if you complain I wiil shout "It's the LAW, It's the LAW. What don't you understand about the LAW?"

Your reply in your post #167 didn't even come close to answering my question in my post #166. The question: What is going to make the guest workers return to their home countries after their allotted time in a guest worker program is completed? The answer: NOTHING. They will stay here and be in position for the next amnesty and then eventually they will be given American citizenship. A guest worker program is simply a delayed amnesty program.

179 posted on 06/20/2005 10:14:29 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: mthom
Very interesting that Bayourod would refuse to give an actual reply to your post.

That's just part of his modus operandi. If he gets pinned down on a matter, or is asked a question that's uncomfortable for him to answer, he'll just sidestep it completely. Kind of like what we see our politicians do all the time.

180 posted on 06/20/2005 10:25:05 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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