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Jury finds heavy smoking to be grounds for eviction
The Boston Globe ^ | By Ralph Ranalli and Jonathan Saltzman | June 16, 2005

Posted on 06/16/2005 5:33:52 AM PDT by Boston Blackie

In a case that tobacco law specialists say is one of the first of its kind in the nation, a Boston Housing Court jury ruled that a South Boston couple could be evicted from their rented water-view loft for heavy smoking, even though smoking was allowed in their lease.

The landlord who rented the Sleeper Street unit to Erin Carey and Ted Baar ordered them out within a week last November, after neighbors complained of the smoke odors filtering into their apartments.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: aclulist; billofrights; constitutionlist; pufflist; wodlist
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To: HIDEK6

It can be a choice if you have enough money.


161 posted on 06/16/2005 1:10:57 PM PDT by tob2 (Old Fossil and Proud of It!)
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To: Raycpa

More proof either smokers have no clue how offensive cig smoke is or smokers are supremely selfish.



As he cranks his car up, in the face of a 3 year old and his mother walking by. Or anyone else.
Without the slightest apology.


162 posted on 06/16/2005 1:16:37 PM PDT by Bogey
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To: Bogey

You do realize that if A is bad and B is bad. A is still bad?


163 posted on 06/16/2005 1:22:05 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: 1stFreedom

If you are a residential tenant, you can basically break your lease at any time... you will lose your security deposit, but there isn't a housing court in the country that is going to force you to pay rent once you have moved out and forfieted your security deposit.....

The threat of paying the lease after you leave, while a nice club for landlords to threaten, is basically uneforceable in residential leases.


164 posted on 06/16/2005 1:24:18 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: tob2

You have the choice to save enough money.


165 posted on 06/16/2005 1:29:41 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: tahiti
I am a landlord and I decide what can and cannot be done on my property.

This is not a property issue, it's a contract issue. The landlord had the right to permit or deny smoking and executed that right when signing the lease permitting smoking. But once the landlord signed the lease permitting smoking the landlord should be held to the contract.

The complaining tenant knew smoking was permitted, so they have little room to complain. They need to find a non-smoking building.

166 posted on 06/16/2005 1:36:50 PM PDT by slowhandluke
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To: psychedelicate63

Hey, I'm all for this. As long as it doesn't come into my house, I'm fine with it.


167 posted on 06/16/2005 1:49:47 PM PDT by 1stFreedom (1)
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To: Raycpa

Where was that, minnie? Got a link?


168 posted on 06/16/2005 2:07:12 PM PDT by metesky (President; The People's Committee Against People's Committees)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
The chain smokers were free to go outside in the beautiful evening, and the rest of us enjoyed clean air inside.

How inconsiderate of you not to put up with their nasty F'ing habit!

169 posted on 06/16/2005 2:22:33 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Raycpa
Never mind, minnie, I scrolled the rest of the thread and saw your links.

New England in the 17th century banning smoking? The same folks who hung, burned and crushed "witches"? Folks who, by the way, were British, not American and Puritans too boot?

How long did those laws last? Historically no smoking ban has lasted over time. Why not jump up 100 years and check out smoking in Ben Franklin's Boston?

170 posted on 06/16/2005 2:27:47 PM PDT by metesky (President; The People's Committee Against People's Committees)
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To: Madame Dufarge; SheLion

Exactly what I was going to ask but I don't deal with Raycpa at all-----I get a big,fat headache.

Tenements in Colonial Boston? I don't think so!

And even if they banned public smoking they probably didn't ban smoking private homes.

The wonder of all of this is how on earth do you define an "offensive" odor? I don't like the smell of lilacs---most people do. The use of the word "offensive" makes the entire thing very subjective.


171 posted on 06/16/2005 2:34:46 PM PDT by Mears (Keep the government out of my face!)
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To: HamiltonJay
If you are a residential tenant, you can basically break your lease at any time... you will lose your security deposit, but there isn't a housing court in the country that is going to force you to pay rent once you have moved out and forfieted your security deposit.....

Depends on the state. Some states are tenant friendly, others are not. If the landlord is able to rent the apartment out quickly, he might not have any real damages so suing you might be a waste of time.

172 posted on 06/16/2005 2:36:07 PM PDT by Modernman ("Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made." -Bismarck)
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To: Mears

bump


173 posted on 06/16/2005 2:37:01 PM PDT by Mears (Keep the government out of my face!)
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To: Osage Orange

Good one!!!!! LOL


174 posted on 06/16/2005 2:38:36 PM PDT by Mears (Keep the government out of my face!)
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To: clee1

You mean negative pressure like a TB room in a hospital. Outside air can come in, but inside air cannot get out.


175 posted on 06/16/2005 2:38:41 PM PDT by Melas (Lives in state of disbelief)
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To: HIDEK6

Sorry to disagree with you. Disabled and living on a very low income leaves no money for saving for anything. Especially when the prices for absolutely everything is rising.

If I had ny choice, would not have inherited these health problems. And there are a lot of other things I wish I could have choice over.


176 posted on 06/16/2005 2:46:04 PM PDT by tob2 (Old Fossil and Proud of It!)
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To: Mears; Madame Dufarge
-----I get a big,fat headache.

I have learned in order to keep my BP at a normal rate, I ignore him/her.

An absolute bore.

177 posted on 06/16/2005 2:46:32 PM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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178 posted on 06/16/2005 2:51:08 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (www.lp.org)
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To: Modernman

Legally yes a tenant is liable.. but there isn't a court that is going to enforce a residential lease, if the teneant has moved out and surrendered the security deposit a court is not going to find that the tenant must pay the remainder of the lease...

Yes, technically the tenant is responsible for it, but in reality no court is going to find in the landlords favor, and it is a waste of their time and money to sue over it... because they will lose...

Its a nice threat by landlords, but in reality it rarely ever happens that tehy win a judgement under those conditions in all 50 state.s


179 posted on 06/16/2005 3:28:46 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Mears; SheLion
I know, I usually ignore him too.

A fleeting moment of insanity..;-)

180 posted on 06/16/2005 3:29:43 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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