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A textbook case of stupidity (Proposed 200-page-limit on student reading matter)
The Orange County Register ^ | June 9, 2005 | hugh Glenn

Posted on 06/09/2005 3:04:14 PM PDT by Taft in '52

A textbook case of stupidity:
Assembly's call for 200-page-limit on student reading matter is beyond folly

By HUGH GLENN
The Anaheim resident is an education consultant and online editor who lives in Anaheim.

Efforts to dumb down California public schools continue unabated. The most recent action is the Assembly passing AB 756, a bill by Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg that would prevent school districts from using any instructional material that exceeds 200 pages. Assemblyman Keith Richman calls it "ridiculous" and "the epitome of micromanagement." Jack O'Connell, state superintendent of public instruction, surprisingly, has remained silent. Astoundingly, 42 legislators (including Orange County's Tom Umberg) approved AB 756 - a vote so dumb that Gov. Schwarzenegger now looks like Socrates and Solomon rolled into one.


(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: California
KEYWORDS: education; learning; teaching
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To: Taft in '52

Can't find the article at the link.


21 posted on 06/09/2005 3:16:55 PM PDT by elli1
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To: Taft in '52

California is on the brink of ecconomic disaster because of the politics of complete Morons like this woman(?). The Politicians in this state waste there time on stupidity like this to avoid the real issues.


22 posted on 06/09/2005 3:21:16 PM PDT by leftcoastlibertarian
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To: Taft in '52
But they didn't set a minimum standard for pictures! Surely we should expect that at least 25% of the pages be used for pictures!

(/bitter sarcasm)

23 posted on 06/09/2005 3:21:34 PM PDT by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Books have wide margins because the publishers can use the same binding for both the teacher and student versions. In the teachers edition, there are notes, additional info, answers to questions (!), etc. in the teacher's margin.

Also, textbook publishers would love a 200-page limit. Then they would break the text into 3 or 4 volumes. When they do that, they charge a heap for the books. Example: 800-page book, $80. Four 200-page books, $35 each. And those would be paperback. For hard binding, probably $50 each. Cha-ching! I bet some legislator has contacts with the publishers. As they say, follow the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

It's NOT about kids poor backs they care about.


24 posted on 06/09/2005 3:39:28 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Taft in '52

If it's not about the weight of books to be carried in backpacks, there is no justification for it. If it is about the weight, as long as all of the content is contained in the necessary multiple volumes, I wouldn't have a problem with the change.


25 posted on 06/09/2005 3:43:54 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: Right Wing Assault
I bet some legislator has contacts with the publishers.

You're probably correct. There is no way that a paperback should cost $35.

26 posted on 06/09/2005 3:47:05 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: GoLightly

In third place behind the insurance industry and lawyers come the textbook thieves.


27 posted on 06/09/2005 3:54:31 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Redcloak
I joked that I could write it out, in the proper format, on a Post-it note.

How did you get the two dozen section headers on there? Table of contents...purpose for the document...references...version...update liability...retention specification...document change authorization...applicability notifications...interface references...

I know there are lots more sections...just can't remember them all now. :)

28 posted on 06/09/2005 3:55:40 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: GoLightly

I think in the near future textbooks will be provided in other media such as CD's or other computer media. Portable notebook computers will become cheap enough for every student to have one, then there will be no need to print these textbooks. Should save a lot of money...of course those who profit from the current system will go kicking and screaming all the way.


29 posted on 06/09/2005 3:57:47 PM PDT by antceecee
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To: GoLightly

There's also no way a textbook should cost $80-135 for high school math and science. But they do. The material covered is almost exactly the same when a "new" edition comes out. They just fiddle with chapters. A two-volume hardcover version might come in at about 2/3 the price each.

Now they are starting to offer the books on CD. SAME price as the hardcover.


30 posted on 06/09/2005 3:58:38 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Taft in '52
Jumpin' Criminy! I got through textbooks wider than my waist and I survived. Then again liberals believe you're incapable of reading a fat book. They just have low expectations of what you're capable and believe you can never make it without their help. That's why they're micromanaging texbook sizes now.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
31 posted on 06/09/2005 3:59:24 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: gcruse
I'd suggest that CA legislate the value of Pi to be 3.0000~.

Think of how much easier geometry would be "for the children".

32 posted on 06/09/2005 4:01:28 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't Tread on Me; Live Free or Die)
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To: Paladin2

Yes, I like pi being 3. It is the same number of parents each kid will be mandated to have (one hetero female, one lesbian female, and one transvestite), so that will be nice. "Heather Has Three Parents!"


33 posted on 06/09/2005 4:04:13 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Right Wing Assault
There's also no way a textbook should cost $80-135 for high school math and science.

I agree. The material covered is almost exactly the same when a "new" edition comes out. They just fiddle with chapters. A two-volume hardcover version might come in at about 2/3 the price each.

I thought they slipped in a bit more of the the leftist dogma with each new edition. No?

Now they are starting to offer the books on CD.

I like that. I like it a lot.

SAME price as the hardcover.

This I do not like. It's outrageous.

34 posted on 06/09/2005 4:09:03 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: GoLightly

Remember when the price of sugar went up and the raised the price of (pop, soda, soda pop, carbonated beverages, or whatever you want to call them) went up. But the sugar-free went up the same amount!


35 posted on 06/09/2005 4:11:47 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Taft in '52

looked but couldn't find this on their site...


36 posted on 06/09/2005 4:12:29 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/charterschoolsexplained.htm)
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To: Taft in '52

The link is not to the article, just to the OC Register's website. I did not find the article in a site search.

The bill itself is here:

http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_0751-0800/ab_756_cfa_20050503_111342_asm_comm.html


37 posted on 06/09/2005 4:12:53 PM PDT by TChad
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To: goldstategop

They no longer trust students to go to their lockers, except first thing in the morning & last thing at the end of the day.

You should see what goes on inside of a school buildings these days. I had to pick one of my kids for an appointment & got caught in the middle of a practice lock down. They locked me in the office & called his classroom, to have him brought down. As we left the school police were coming in the front door with rifles & dogs. This was a short time *before* Columbine.


38 posted on 06/09/2005 4:20:46 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: Taft in '52
Simple solution....

BIG pages... small print.....
39 posted on 06/09/2005 4:21:02 PM PDT by GoldMan (Never try to rationalize an irrational mind............)
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To: Taft in '52

Does the bill say anything about font size? I can print a dozen bibles on a matchbook cover if the font size doesn't matter


40 posted on 06/09/2005 4:27:22 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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