Illegals becoming more violent against Border Patrol

KVOA Channel 4 Tucson ^ | May 31, 2005 | Jennifer Reardon

[Once-Ler]

So far this fiscal year, the Tucson sector of the Border Patrol has reported 163 acts of assault against agents, compared to a total of 118 for the entire fiscal year of 2004.

The news media lies. The MSM knows the rift that exists in the GOP between the pro and anti-immigration factions. The increased acts of aggression are an indication of increased BP activity. It is a sign the BP are doing their jobs.

Prayers for the BP and what a shame the illegal immigrant situation has been allowed for fester and grow. If I was a BP officer and the federal government tied my hands I would complain.

IMO..Most of the people complaining about the work of the BP are skinheads and scumbags posing as heroes like Tancredo and Malikin.

[Happy2BMe]

Tancredo is not complaining about the BP - he's complaining about their boss. Their 'big' boss.

[chronic_loser]

The vast majority of illegal aliens remain irrationally loyal to a country that effectively banished them, expect us to assimilate to their language and culture in our own country, utilize every devious means possible to job the system (including falsifying and stealing SSI numbers and other identifying documentation) and have the ability to drop out and pop up elsewhere under a new identity elsewhere should they perpetrate crimes harsh enough to force our hesitant police to action. Don't forget that Mexico never extradites.

You have a gift for a "scattergun" approach of raising so many stereotypical objections in a paragraph that it is difficult to deal with them in a comprehensive way.

1) Mexicans (and other Latinos) are not "loyal to the USA"- first of all, I disagree. Although many Mexicans resent the discrimination and resentment they sense from whites and blacks here, most that I know are thankful to be here.
2)You will find some of the idiot mecha types around, especially in California, but with the preponderance of lunatic native citizens you have in CA, why is it only latino socialists who are the bad guys? There are enough white, black and asian liberals there that if every Mexican socialist were swallowed up and disappeared, the movement would not even have to take a stutter step.
3)False documentation would disappear if we simply allowed people who have jobs to get papers. To deny them legal documents of entry and then bitch because they enter to take jobs and get illegal documents is just dumb. No other way to say it.
4)I will give you the following point, though. The present schizophrenic way we have of dealing with Mexicans guarantees that if you commit a murder in Oaxaca or Cuernavaca, you can easily establish a new identity here. No one I know, even the most trenchant open borders people, argue that this situation is good. The argument is over how to stop it. Deporting 8 million plus people and having the military seal the border is, again just a plain dumbass argument.

Where is this amazing place where illegal aliens raise property values (I'm not talking about Americans of Latin descent, just illegal aliens who's burgeoning numbers keep those American's wages flatlined). Pretty odd that the properties in San Diego rose sharply after the border barrier there was seriously improved. In my own city I've witnessed a main thoroughfare lined with traditional, well-kept neighborhoods and thriving businesses reduced to illegal enclaves rife with litter, used car lots, residential over-parking, overcrowded schools, more used car lots, sirens constantly wailing at all hours due to crime and stupidity, gang graffiti, chop shops, more used car lots, native citizens imprisoning themselves in their homes if they can't afford to move...my perception of what's happening differs from yours 180 degrees.

Both our perceptions are anecdotal, ok? However, neighborhoods go from tony to slum, back to blue collar to tony to slum, etc, etc, whether there are immigrants or not. My argument is that Mexican neighborhoods that USED to be slums (they still have slummy elements) are better places to go than they used to be. My perceptions of this are based on anecdotal evidence like neighborhoods in S Raleigh NC, talks with cops in that area, and personal observations.

But hey, you go right on ahead with whatever helps you get along. For a person accusing ME of being a Red you share a lot of that "white success guilt" stuff with the flaming Liberals.

Well, at least I hope you no longer see me accusing you of being "red." As far as white success guilt goes, I have way too much legitimate guilt in other areas and way to little success to have that be a real factor. Am I legitimately guilty of being arrogant, dismissive, self-centered, and a whole mess of other suff? Sure. But those kind of character flaws transcend your economic status. They are hard wired into the circuitry and I don't think they will be alleviated by me wringing my hands over the poor hispanics, or blacks, or whoever, as I enjoy whatever meager assets I can pile up. You are shooting at the wrong target, there"

Impeding people who see the problem and try to fix it does not help any citizens rich or poor.

My argument is not that the problem should not be fixed, only on how to fix it. That should be obvious.

Racists, xenophobes, bigots...call us whatever you like but remember that we are the line between you and those who'd love to take everything you've earned away and redistribute it - the true Socialists of Aztlan and their pets. They are the radical anti-Semites I was speaking of and their connected to every other "Hispanic rights" group that exists. And there's a lot of them.

Anyone who looks over an immigration thread on FR and argues that there is NOT a evidence of a strong undercurrent of hateful, racist, xenophobic bile against hispanics themselves has simply lost his f--king mind. I have seen people arguing that we should shoot border crossers on sight, laughing about 23 year old mexican peasants who fell under a train and lost her legs, sneering at people who died of thirst and exposure attempting to jump the border, laughing that their bodies should remain out there because "the coyotes and vultures need food, too" and numerous, numerous other examples of stuff like that. I haven't bothered to catalogue them, but if you have not seen them, then you never check the immigrant issues threads.

The 'socialists of Aztlan' are simply one more gift to us from the land of fruits and nuts (CA). There are fewer socialists per capita among latinos than among rich educated whites. Breathlessly waving around some posts from MECHA is tantamount to pointing to THE NATION as evidence that white America is socialist. Fringe leftoids are in every people group. I fear them far less than those on the "right" who would attempt to close our borders and extirpate the vision a free and open society. Ronald Reagan is one of my heroes in this respect ""Our trade policy rests firmly on the foundation of free and open markets. I recognize ... the inescapable conclusion that all of history has taught: The freer the flow of world trade, the stronger the tides of human progress and peace among nations." He signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, and more immigrants entered the United States legally under President Reagan's watch than under any previous U.S. president since Teddy Roosevelt. My vision of America with regards to immigrants coming here is best summed up in Reagan's farewell address January 1989, Reagan wove free trade and immigration into his vision of a free society: "I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and heart to get here." (emphasis mine)

I want America to be a place in which the good aspects of all cultures are allowed to freely flourish, not a place where we snatch up our skirts in fear and dismay that "they" will corrupt us. The latter is a worldview of a culture in decline.

[NewRomeTacitus]

You have a gift for a "scattergun" approach of raising so many stereotypical objections in a paragraph that it is difficult to deal with them in a comprehensive way.

It's a gift.

Deporting 8 million plus people and having the military seal the border is, again just a plain dumbass argument.

That's why I'm all for disincentives - to come here and/or remain here. Rampant document fraud must become a major cross-jurisdictional priority for law enforcement, tremendously increased fines and penalties for scofflaw employers with rewards for whistleblowers, legislation similar to Arizona's Proposition 200 enacted in every other state, and an Amendment to the 14th Amendment clarifying that children born on U.S. soil to non-citizens are themselves non-citizens.

Anyone who looks over an immigration thread on FR and argues that there is NOT a evidence of a strong undercurrent of hateful, racist, xenophobic bile against hispanics themselves has simply lost his f--king mind.

I trust in the moderators' judgment of what's acceptable and what's not. Personally, I see nothing wrong with fortifications that include bilingually signed zones equipped with robotic sensor-activated miniguns. Reagan also thought this country was worth defending by all means possible and confided to many associates that the 1986 amnesty was a mistake. The Gipper also said "A nation without borders is not a nation."

I want America to be a place in which the good aspects of all cultures are allowed to freely flourish, not a place where we snatch up our skirts in fear and dismay that "they" will corrupt us.

I want an America that stands up for it's Judeo-Christian core values and rejects all "diversity is our strength" BS. Perhaps I'm also wrong to believe that Islam is not a religion at all, just a death-cult bent on world domination (but I suspect I'm right). Illegal immigration is only a part of the liberal-socialists' attack. The education system is rife with anti-Americanism, the legal profession would sacrifice everything on the altar of profits while the best people we send to D.C. seem powerless to resist the Agenda In Place.

Allow me to bow out while agreeing to disagree. While you are intelligent and verbose I really have to catch up on other things while it's still light out.