Illegals becoming more violent against Border Patrol

KVOA Channel 4 Tucson ^ | May 31, 2005 | Jennifer Reardon

[USAFJeeper]

That was my thought as well. Since we no longer train for large pitched tank battles... seems to me that the border is a great place to practice small group interdiction :)

[chris1]

Nice way to treat your taxpaying legal American citizen who foots the bill for the gov't.

Plus, we have a breakdown in culture. If we can't also agree that we should have ONE language, then we will degenerate even further and be America no more.

[smiley]

.....hummmm.....let's see...whom does that make a vigilante?

[USAFJeeper]

Here ya go, peruse this link then come back and let us know what you find.

http://www.hschange.com/CONTENT/312/

Under federal law, patients who walk into an ER cannot be turned away.

[chronic_loser]

I tell you what pokie, lets see a hospital deny treatment to anyone for any reason.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1231255/posts "Yazoo City MS Hospital will not treat non-emrgency patients in ER beginning Oct 4."

Like I said earlier, it was a thread here on freerepublic. Ain't no arguing with someone who can't or won't read, though.

I am sure the people from Oklahoma enjoy your disparaging remarks as well. Having lived there I can assure you most of them scale well above you based on your recent posts here.

Bellywash OK or Bellywash NC, no difference to me. I actually lived in Tulsa OK for about 5 months when I was doing some engineering contract work. Nice town. Kind of the finance and money section of the oil patch, like a little Houston. Interesting that you would be filled with indignation at the perceived slight at OK people and not have it bother you that far far more vicious and hateful stuff is said about Mexicans. Some of you people are bald faced hypocrites.

[USAFJeeper]

Try this do a search in your favorite engine of "federal law noninsured emergency admit" then go see how old Yazoo City is doing with their new policy.

Gene Pool, lets keep it clean. Sterilization is your duty as an American.

[chronic_loser]

Here ya go, peruse this link then come back and let us know what you find.
http://www.hschange.com/CONTENT/312/
Under federal law, patients who walk into an ER cannot be turned away.

I have a site that says the CIA killed Kennedy, too. Statutes here were missing, and whoever wrote this simply did not know what they were talking about. The ONLY thing a hospital is required to do is determine whether the patient is truly an emergency room candidate. If not, they can be told to seek care elsewhwere.

[SerpentDove]

Who was it who called the Minutemen "vigilantes"? Oh, what was his name...

[melancholy]

You know what? I don't feel sorry for the BP at all! They can defend their sorry a$$es anytime; just mow the dastards down! But of course not, take the easy way out; complain and ride in chicken cages.

'nuff said!

[JeffAtlanta]

Tell em life sucks and they will live. Duke Hospital does it all the time

Duke may do it (I'm going out on a limb a taking you at your word), but I'm sure there are other hospitals in the area with an emergency room that will accept patients with serious but not life-threatening conditions.

[USAFJeeper]

I know you were having trouble so I decided to go ahead and give you a clue. It is known commonly as "EMTALA" or the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act.

What it requires every hospital to do (assuming they recieve Medicaid funds) is at the minimum to screen a patient and have a doctor do an evaluation before telling them to go see a doctor or recieve treatment. Most hospitals are too frightened by the prospect of losing federal dollars and generally treat anyone who walks in the door.

Some, like Milwaukee decided that they would use a referral system, if it was non life threatening and the patient was "stable" they would be given even transportation to a regular doctors office. Many hospitals in the Milwaukee system however are ignoring that decision and treating them. To bring it back, many uninsured, including ILLEGAL immigrants are using it as a health care system.

[chronic_loser]

Try this do a search in your favorite engine of "federal law noninsured emergency admit" then go see how old Yazoo City is doing with their new policy.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
No references to yazoo city here. NO references to lawsuits being filed. NO challenges.
Maybe you can help me find a link to how this policy isn't working out?

[4.1O dana super trac pak]

Mexico must be running low on rocks.

[Spiff]

The Border Patrol agents are in a terrible spot. On one site they've got the threat of the illegals becoming more violent, on the other side they've got Rep. Jim Kolbe threatening them for enforcing border security with permanent checkpoints while he want them shut down. Their management is too busy playing politics to support the actual enforcement of border security. I don't know how the agents can put up with this crap! This isn't right. These are the guys on the front lines trying to protect our borders from invasion. And we let them get treated like this!!?

[SerpentDove]

"Do you really think we are not going to be attacked again?"

I hope not, too. But the odds are extremely high IMHO. And the lack of border enforcement defies common sense. It defies logic. If it is not pure stupidity, it is its first cousin.

And if we ARE attacked, it is likely to be from someone who came across our porous borders. If this happens, history will not treat George W. bush kindly. He will be rightly reviled as one of our most foolish Presidents, personally responsible for whatever casualties occur, willfully neglecting his duty to protect his nation.

He will be reviled for all time, and rightly so.

[azhenfud]

"The ONLY thing a hospital is required to do is determine whether the patient is truly an emergency room candidate. If not, they can be told to seek care elsewhwere."

That might be so, but 99% of the time they'll declare all cases as emergencies, just of differing priorities rather than run the "risk" of miscalculating a "situation". It all comes down to the ease of spending taxpayer funds. IOW, who on the hospital staff will have the testicular fortitude to make that determination of the gravity of a particular case especially when the choice will be between the ease of spending taxpayer funds and their job, and potentially litigation, if they're wrong?

[USAFJeeper]

Good lord, the existence of a mental black hole. You referenced Yazoo City as a shining example of hospitals breaking the law. See my post above yours and when you get tired of being wrong come back and visit.

[Osage Orange]

Funny thing......I happen to think that the fear of confrontation is one of the facets of the problem with illegal immigration.

Advisors to POTUS's.....get paid to do "what if's"...and "pro/con" lists.

I'd bet you a hundred crappie filets I'm right.

FRegards,

[investigateworld]

RE: your post 77

And one can be certain the LSM will pull these threads to show Dubya was warned by his most active supporters. All of a sudden, we'll all be "experts" on immigration. When the terrorists come through the south and attack us, it will be the end of the Republican Party. The LSM will be delighted of course.

[chronic_loser]

I know you were having trouble so I decided to go ahead and give you a clue. It is known commonly as "EMTALA" or the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act.

Thanks and I am always in need of a clue. I did not know the name of the statute, but it (and your post) reaffirms what I said earlier..., all they are required to do is determine whether the condition is life threatening (I think the term is "critical" but I could be wrong). If no, you can bounce them. No care, no script, nada.

As an aside, I just spent a weekend with one of my best friends who recently spent 4 years in residency in ER medicine and is now on staff at George Washington U hospital in charge of training ER physicians. We both have a real interest in evaluating the satus of health care in the US, especially since the poor (not just the illegals) here have been TAUGHT to use the ER as primary care. The only way to fix this is to bounce 'em and TRY to charge for the "screen." Word gets out that you can't do it that way.

If Oklahoma, or Saskatchewan, or Ougadouga decides that it is "compassionate" to give away free care, it is silly to bitch when people use it.