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D-Day for Europe as Dutch vote
The Times ^ | June 1, 2005 | Anthony Browne, Rosemary Bennett, and Charles Bremner

Posted on 05/31/2005 3:36:56 PM PDT by MadIvan

THE Dutch are expected to deliver a resounding “no” to the European constitution today, killing off the treaty in the wake of rejection by France.

Tony Blair will attempt to pick up the pieces when Britain assumes the European Union’s presidency next month, but President Chirac complicated that task yesterday by appointing Dominique de Villepin as his Prime Minister in place of Jean-Pierre Raffarin.

M de Villepin, whose heroes are Napoleon Bonaparte and Charles de Gaulle, is a staunch nationalist whose views are mostly anathema to Britain.

As Foreign Minister, he fought passionately to stop Britain and the US going to war in Iraq. He champions the state-led French social model over “Anglo-Saxon” economics.

Both M de Villepin and M Chirac promised to inject fresh life into the French economy, but the President emphasised that this would be “with total respect for the French model . . . This model is not one of the Anglo-Saxon type”.

Polls in The Netherlands showed the “yes” campaign trailing by 20 points, and even the most ardent supporters of the constitution admitted that it would be a “small miracle” if they win today. The European Commission and seven member states which have called referendums insisted that ratification would proceed regardless. But officials privately conceded that a second emphatic “no” from a founding member would probably prove fatal.

“There is a limit to what we can say before the Dutch vote. But things will change afterwards if they say ‘no’,” one Commission source admitted.

No country wants to be held responsible for killing the constitution by being first to abandon a referendum, but diplomats said that “everyone is talking to everyone” about how to proceed.

“We don’t want to be the first to say ‘no’. We won’t say ‘no’ unless there is a general decision not to go forward,” said one diplomat from a state which has promised a vote.

In Britain, two leading allies of the Prime Minister made clear that the Prime Minister believes it would be disastrous to try to revive the treaty.

Writing in The Times today, Stephen Byers, the former Transport Secretary and a close friend of Mr Blair, says that calls for another vote in France betray the sort of “institutional arrogance” that the French public rejected.

“By their decisive vote, the people of France have killed the European Constitutional Treaty,” he says. “It would be a grave mistake . . . to ignore or try to explain away this expression of popular feeling.”

Lord Kinnock of Bedwellty, the former Labour leader and EU commissioner, said that the period of reflection that Mr Blair had requested in the wake of the French vote “can only sensibly come to one conclusion . . . Referendums produce results and results have to be lived with.”

Officials said that Mr Byers and Lord Kinnock were both expressing their own views but they are unlikely to have spoken without consulting Mr Blair.

Jean-Claude Juncker, the Prime Minister of Luxembourg, who holds the EU presidency, will today start a round of meetings to try to find a way through the impasse before the June 16 summit of EU leaders. Mr Blair wants his fellow leaders to use the summit to find a way forward.

Britain is the only country not to have given a clear indication that still it intends to ratify the constitution. All the countries still due to hold referendums — Luxembourg, Ireland, Portugal, Poland, Denmark and the Czech Republic — insist that votes will go ahead.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: constitution; dutch; eu; euconstitution; netherlands
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To: colorado tanker

But I'm afraid the only message the French government and other europeanists are taking from this is that they should never allow the people to decide important questions.

Just like in China, which may be the model the EU is trying to emulate, whether they are aware of it or not.

21 posted on 05/31/2005 5:48:30 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: 2111USMC
Did the vote results mean nothing to them?

Chirac is one of those serene souls who is never troubled by the thought that he might be wrong or that a majority should be honored if it disagrees with him.

22 posted on 05/31/2005 5:52:58 PM PDT by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: 2111USMC

Is Chirac and the elite so arrogant that they think they can push this down peoples' throats?

Yes

Did the vote results mean nothing to them?

The vote results mean to them that they shouldn't have gone the referendum route.

23 posted on 05/31/2005 5:53:26 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: andyk

That is not true. It only takes 1. That was some idiot in Brussels mouthing off.


24 posted on 05/31/2005 6:08:37 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: MadIvan

star wars III revenge of the sith had a huge opening in france. its not likely that any frenchmen seeing that movie would not make the connection of the assention of the sith lord to the assention of the brussels bureaucrats.


25 posted on 05/31/2005 6:17:03 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: MadIvan

C'mon Dutchies !

Stem Nr !


26 posted on 05/31/2005 6:55:59 PM PDT by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: 2111USMC
Abusers are used to their victims accepting what is done to them. They like to shove things down people's throats and to get them to swallow. They feel more powerful when they do this.

When the victim strikes back it is a wonderful thing.
27 posted on 05/31/2005 6:58:50 PM PDT by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: MadIvan

All the countries still due to hold referendums — Luxembourg, Ireland, Portugal, Poland, Denmark and the Czech Republic — insist that votes will go ahead.
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Nice to see. This will yet be a ved-d-dy intel-esting situation. If they go the way of the French, it will speak volumes.


28 posted on 05/31/2005 7:16:57 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: andyk

To totally kill this "constitution" off deader than a doornail requires 6 no's. If 1-5 say "no" there is some possibility of renegotiation or something like that. However, given that France & Germany are the two "most influential" (not my belief) of the EUers, France's NO carries almost veto power, as far as I can tell... Not formally, but effectively.

The Dutch "no" by itself, in addition to France's, is going to send them all into a real tizzy.


29 posted on 05/31/2005 7:22:17 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: badgerbengal

How great they were? When?


30 posted on 05/31/2005 10:49:46 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: AFPhys

My opinion of the 6 votes:
Luxembourg: Yes, Ireland: Yes, Portugal: No, Poland: No, Denmark: No and the Czech Republic: Yes


31 posted on 06/01/2005 12:24:32 AM PDT by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Cronos

I hope Ireland can muster a NO.


32 posted on 06/01/2005 9:31:31 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: AFPhys
I doubt it -- the Irish seem highly pro-European.
33 posted on 06/01/2005 9:39:50 AM PDT by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: knighthawk

Hi, knighthawk. I remembered you are Dutch. Any comments?


34 posted on 06/01/2005 10:20:37 AM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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