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Bush, Frist Did Not Dispatch Graham & DeWine to Make a Deal
Rush Limbaugh ^ | 5/27/05 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 05/27/2005 3:58:28 PM PDT by wdkeller

Bush, Frist Did Not Dispatch Graham & DeWine to Make a Deal

May 27, 2005

RUSH: I'm going to mention this because -- and I saw the report that I'm going to talk about. It was on FOX News last night at the top of the show on Brit Hume's 6:00 show on Fox, and I saw it, and I said, "Well, okay. The spin has begun," is my reaction to it. But now I've been getting e-mails today from people who believe it. So I decided to check it out. The top of the program last night, Major Garrett reported. Now, this is not a criticism of Major Garrett. Major Garrett reported that he was told by senior Republican sources that Senators DeWine and Graham were dispatched by Senator Frist and the White House to cut the best possible deal on judges. You understand this? Fox reported that Mike DeWine and Lindsey Graham were sent to that meeting chaired by McCain and Warner, by Frist and the White House, to cut the best possible deal on the judges. Now, if that were true, it would mean that Frist admitted he didn't have the votes. "Get your ass over there, make a deal, Lindsey. Get over there, Senator Graham and Senator DeWine and make a deal." So I said, "Okay." This was the first bit of spin that I had been treated to since this all happened, so I decided to check into it, and to the best of my ability to check in and verify this, it seems that this assertion is false. It seems that it is totally false.

That neither Senator Frist nor the White House had anything to do with this meeting, and that they certainly did not dispatch Senators DeWine or Lindsey Graham over to the McCain meeting to cut the best possible deal on judges. Now, if you wonder: "Okay, well, who is this source, who is this senior Republican source?" Well, to find out who the senior Republican source is, it might be helpful to consult the transcript of the report on Fox last night -- and when you look at the transcript of the report, you see that Senator DeWine is portraying himself as having saved the president from a devastating defeat. Now, that's the opposite of what happened and we all know it. Senator DeWine took a win on the filibuster issue and messed it up, and apparently he's trying to rewrite history in order to deflect the heat. Krauthammer has a column today that echoes what many of us have been saying all week that's right on the money. So here's the relevant portion of the transcript of the report on Fox last night. Senator DeWine: "No one knows how to vote on the constitutional option would have come out. We might have won; we might have lost. If we lost, it would have been devastating for the president, devastating for the president when he tried to get a nominee up here for the Supreme Court. Everybody knew where we were coming from, and you know we insisted that this is what the deal had to be. It cleared the way for a lot of the president's agenda other than the judges to move forward, so I think, you know, we got a lot. We really didn't lose anything."

Yeah, of course you didn't lose anything, except the nominations of William Myers and Henry Saad, and maybe five other judges. It could be that only three of these ten will ever see the light of day. So DeWine is portraying himself as having saved the president from a devastating defeat here in the midst of a report that senior a Republican source says that Senators DeWine and Graham were dispatched by Senator Frist and the White House to cut the best possible deal. Now, there's other spin going on as well about all of this, but none of it is this. I mean, every version of spin is its own self-contained individual story with no relationship to any other story or no other link. What does this mean? It means that the signatories to the deal know that they messed up, and they're running for the tall grass now, and they're trying to make the blame shift from themselves to elsewhere, all the way from Frist knew he didn't have the votes and told the White House and the White House told us to get over there and make a deal, all the way to... Basically, at the root of it, I think all the spin is basically about how we were saving the president. We were doing what we could to save this because it was going to do down in a humiliating defeat, ta-da, ta-da, ta-da, ta-da, ta-da -- and of course what's wrong with this spin, aside from the fact that it's spin -- and what's caused the spin to take place is the Bolton business.

"Did you see what Lindsey Graham said about the Bolton filibuster? 'Well, this is what's disappointing. The spirit of the deal was that we can do better if we all try.' I don't need to say anymore, folks."

Two things have caused the spinning to start: the Bolton business and the outcry, the outrage of anger and protest emanating from the Republican base. The people that elected these people are furious. They are still furious. So the spin is related to both the Bolton -- because the Bolton episode yesterday, even though I will admit it's got nothing to do with the judge deal, it does have a linkage to the judge deal because one of the reasons for the deal was supposedly to "get the Senate back on track doing the people's business," blah, blah, blah, and it was also said that this is going to clear the way for Bolton. They said this would clear the way for Bolton, and look what happened! Bolton's being filibustered. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's not a filibuster. They're "delaying the vote." Shame on me, folks! I didn't adopt the correct media language. It is a filibuster! Anytime you have a cloture vote, which is what happened yesterday afternoon, anytime you have a cloture vote, you've got a filibuster going on. I don't care what the press calls it. The press will not use the word "filibuster" because the Democrats have some fear, too. The evidence is clear that they are filibustering and obstructing and stopping everything, but this was all predictable.

We know who the Democrats are. A Democrat is a Democrat. A liberal is a liberal. A tiger is a tiger. We knew what they were going to do. We knew that the deal emboldened them, and from what I'm hearing -- and who knows what's factual and what isn't -- from what I'm hearing, the Republicans had a deal, Frist had a deal with Dingy Harry that there would be the 60 votes to get cloture and move on and vote on Bolton. They thought they had so many more than 60 votes they let Specter leave early. Specter, you know, is undergoing chemotherapy for lymph node cancer, something like that, and he left for his Pennsylvania home early before the vote yesterday, and they thought they had plenty of votes, enough to let Specter go early, that his vote wasn't needed. The assurance that Frist had from Dingy Harry himself, and of course Dingy Harry has now screwed Frist twice in one week. Frist has been shafted twice in one week, and you can't blame this all on Frist. I mean you can, maybe you can blame some of it, but let me give you -- I've been talking about LBJ and how he ran the Senate with an iron fist when he was in the Senate and did so at least with his own party when he was president.

RUSH: All right. We have a montage of DeWine, Senator Mike DeWine on the Fox report that I was talking about at the beginning of the show last night. Let me set this up. This is a show on Fox, Brit Hume show top of the hour last night at 6. It's a Major Garrett report that he was told by senior Republican sources that Senators DeWine and Lindsey Graham were dispatched by Senator Frist and the White House to cut the best deal possible on judges, and I said, "Well now, if that's true, that's one of the biggest news breaks and stories in the world," and I dug deep today, and I have assured myself that this is so far from the truth that it doesn't even deserve speculation. So in that case, okay, well, who's the source? Who are the senior Republican sources for this? And we've put together a montage of Senator DeWine in the Major Garrett story yesterday and this is it.

DeWINE: No one knows how the vote on the constitutional option would have come out. We might have won. We might have lost. If we lost, it would have been devastating for the president. Devastating for the president when he tried to get a nominee up here for the Supreme Court. Everybody knew where we were coming from, and, you know, we insisted that this is what the deal had to be. It cleared the way for a lot of the president's agenda other than judges to move forward, so I think we got a lot, and we really didn't lose anything.

RUSH: Now, aside from the substance of this, you hear in this bite that DeWine openly suggests, or should I say references the possibility that the vote would be lost, that Frist didn't have the votes, and they had to go over there and make the best deal possible. So when you couple that with this report from Major Garrett -- and I'm not ripping Major Garrett so please, don't anybody call Fox. I'm trying to figure out who this source is that told him that DeWine and Graham were dispatched by Frist and the White House to cut the best possible deal, because that's huge spin. You know, that's huge, and it sounds like that's what DeWine is saying happened, and he doesn't mention Frist or the White House, but he said they had to go in there and make the best deal we could. Now the Senate is going to move on. The Bolton vote last night is evidence that that's not true, that the president got his agenda going. I don't know what these guys are thinking. Are the Democrats just going to announce, "oh, wow, okay, let's go pass Social Security, Mr. President"? I clearly do not understand where these guys are coming from, but there's no party discipline. That's for sure.

RUSH: Laura Lynn in Cincinnati, nice to have you on the program. Welcome to the EIB Network.

CALLER: Thanks, Rush. Appreciate you taking my call.

RUSH: You bet.

CALLER: You know, another consequence of DeWine's betrayal here with the filibuster matter is the effect that it's had on his son's campaign. His son is running here in the second Congressional district trying to fill the very big shoes left open by Rob Portman, and I'll tell you, the dialogue around our community at least is, you know, he uses the name, he uses dad's money, he's got the political machine behind him that pushed him to the forefront, and, you know, it just leads us to believe that we're going to get the same nonsense in the House as we have in the Senate, and I think it's really hurt his campaign here.

RUSH: I've seen speculation that that might be the case. Your phone call kind of adds impetus to the notion that it could. We'll just have to wait and see. This is something that's not going to be known until election day, but clearly it's something that Senator DeWine will hear himself, and will give thought to. But look, it's too late. You know, look, my friends, I hate to sound like a broken record on this. They make the deal when? On Monday. On Monday night they're all praising themselves as independent mavericks, right? They're doing the best thing for the country. They saved the country. They "saved the republic." They saved the Senate, and now we can get back to doing business in the Senate. "Kids are dying in Iraq." Okay. The deal falls apart. Now, make no mistake it's fallen apart. This comity and the goodwill that was supposed to come out of this meeting was officially slam-dunked yesterday in a Bolton filibuster. Now, isn't it interesting that all of these participants -- and let's just stick with the Republican side on this, because it wouldn't have happened without them, all right? All the Republican participants said, "We acted independently. We did what is best for our country. We're not really moderates. We're not this, we're not that. We just did what's best for the country. We saved the Senate! Comity, staid tradition in the Senate. Protecting the rights of the minority. We need to make sure that we can get back to doing the nation's business. Kids are dying in Iraq. We got to go back and work on Social Security."

Okay. Then the deal falls apart, and they're all blaming everybody else for the deal. "Well, the White House set us up. The White House and Frist, they knew they didn't have the votes. We had to go up there; we had to try to save the day." Isn't it interesting when the deal first gets announced... Somebody in the press or in one of the blogs somewhere had a great characterization of all these Republicans not even able to go to sleep Monday night in anticipation of their profiles in the Washington Post style section on Tuesday. So they get up like it's Christmas morning, looking for their great profiles to show how independent they are, then the deal goes south and now it's everybody else's fault, and some are saying, "You know, we're surprised. We're saddened. We're saddened and surprised that this happened." Some of them are saying that, talking about the breakdown here of civility in the Bolton circumstance.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: 109th; bush; dewine; dhpl; filibuster; frist; getarope; graham; rush
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To: NonValueAdded

Yeah but you better watch out because spilling Dewine will probably make Voinovich spill some tears. Booo Freakin' whoooo.


41 posted on 05/27/2005 5:58:00 PM PDT by mrmargaritaville
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To: PMCarey; Kenny Bunkport
Let's use some common sense here. If DeWine and Graham only voted because they were instructed that way by the Whitehouse, that implies they would've voted with Frist. But if they had voted with Frist, then Frist had the votes. Now, if you believe that Graham/DeWine are covering for some other Republican senators who were going to vote against the fillibuster, why sacrifice Graham and DeWine? Why not pick one of the other senators who were going to vote against the rule change anyway? The Whitehouse story doesn't pass the smell test and fails based on simle logic. I don't know that DeWine or Graham are the source of the bogus story. I suspect that someone likes to do a lot of talking and is passing along silly rumours.

This hits it right on the head. Especially since DeWine is running in 2006. Why choose him as the sacrificial lamb. Why would he agree to be the sacrificial lamb when Specter would do so much better--the conservatives already dislike specter and he's not running for reelection anytime soon. So the story is internally contradictory.

42 posted on 05/27/2005 6:01:06 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: kcar

Targets can't work if a W steps in to back a Specter as he did in PA.

In other words not everyone is behind getting rid of RINOS.


43 posted on 05/27/2005 6:08:08 PM PDT by Spirited (God, Bless America, ;))
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To: wdkeller

I notice Rush says the story SEEMS to be false.

I don't think anyone knows anything for sure.


44 posted on 05/27/2005 6:40:26 PM PDT by Texas Deb
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To: Texas Deb
I notice Rush says the story SEEMS to be false.

Rush's language was a little bit stronger than that. Here's the entire quote from Rushlimbaugh.com:

" ... so I decided to check into it, and to the best of my ability to check in and verify this, it seems that this assertion is false. It seems that it is totally false."

45 posted on 05/27/2005 6:45:10 PM PDT by Babu
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To: b4its2late; Recovering_Democrat; Alissa; Pan_Yans Wife; LADY J; mathluv; browardchad; cardinal4; ...

46 posted on 05/27/2005 6:53:43 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("If not us, who? And if not now, when? - Ronald Reagan)
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To: hflynn

You are right.
The media trumped this up. Big Time.
First vote out of the gate unrelated to judges is Bolton.
An appearance that they not only lied, but will fillibuster non-judicial nominees, as well.
And then we have three whole days and a long Senate vacation to discuss it.


47 posted on 05/27/2005 7:09:57 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: Kenny Bunkport
Maybe because he's not?

Actually, if you think about it for a moment, you will see where your analysis fails. If Frist was part of the deal, there would be no need to bring bolton up before the "arranged judges". Frist seemed to be using Bolton as a "canary in a colemine" to test the donks before getting to the other judges. The canary died.

That's my take anyway. The fact that Frist brought up Bolton "before the judges" seems to be the biggest indicator that he knew nothing about any deal or script. Clearly, judges were supposed to come up before Bolton.

Occhams razor seems to say: DeWine is covering his rump.

The question becomes: What does Frist do next?

48 posted on 05/27/2005 7:18:03 PM PDT by Truth Table
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To: Kenny Bunkport

De Wine never would have risked his son's chance for election to be a water-boy for W.

However, if he thought he could get massive press and help his kid, he'd do it alone.

Here's the truth: I'm from Ohio. We were watching Fox when Shep (I believe) made the statement "an official from Mike De Wine's office just called and said there would be a press conference to discuss a deal reached on judicial nominees". Nobody else was even scheduled to appear - for about five minutes, it was all De Wine. When it's your personal Senator making an ass out of himself, time stands still. You recall vividly the very moment you considered putting your house up for sale and movinge to Texas.

Rush is right.

I think De Wine's office prematurely grabbed the spotlight and when McCain got wind of it, that's when it got delayed so all the old (insert vulgarity here) could get face time.

What started out as Mikey's day in the sun turned into McCain show-baoting and plugging his movie and pushing De Wine into the background.

Rush is right.


49 posted on 05/27/2005 7:18:34 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: Kenny Bunkport

Because it is a colossal defeat.


50 posted on 05/27/2005 7:23:22 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (M.A.D. but with a share of the profits.)
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To: Jeff Head
Frist was on Hannity yesterday and stated emphatically and directly that he had no part in the deal and was very dissatified with it.

As the leader of the Senate Frist should have stopped the RINO7 from ever making their sordid deal. His failure to provide strong leadership put us in this position. That's why I voted Frist as the person most responsible for this disgrace on the FR poll.

51 posted on 05/27/2005 7:24:21 PM PDT by AlaskaErik
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To: Dad yer funny

In relation to Lindsey Graham - all Americans who seek higher office should have to submit to a security clearance screen given to military personnel. If you can't pass it, you can't run for office.

It's only fair, and the reasons are so very obvious. How many of our Congress Princes are "compromised" by their backgrounds?


52 posted on 05/27/2005 7:26:49 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: Soul Seeker

None of them have an ounce of credibilty.


53 posted on 05/27/2005 7:27:52 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (M.A.D. but with a share of the profits.)
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To: YaYa123

Spector blew town because he's a toad.


54 posted on 05/27/2005 7:28:18 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: mrmargaritaville

Sonafabitch's tears are most likely due to the fact that he would have some power or money to lose if Bolton goes to the UN. There's a link there somewhere......


55 posted on 05/27/2005 7:30:08 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: AlaskaErik

Frist was not going to "control" someone like McCain, who is trying vainly to position himself for the Presidency on the strength of betrayal and compromise. I believe Frist is doing a good job and will reserve contrary opinions until the reults of all of this are in.


56 posted on 05/27/2005 7:38:30 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: sirthomasthemore

Why does the President, or Frist, have to scream out in righteous indignation?

They can accomplish a lot behind the scenes and at a time of their own choosing.

FReepers don't really have that ability, but they do.

I'm not saying they will, or that they will even need or want to, but just because a bunch of people here make their anger public doesn't mean it's the best thing for the President or Frist to do.


57 posted on 05/27/2005 7:38:34 PM PDT by michaelt
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To: edskid
and neither one of them seemed to make any bones about DeWine's perfidy

What do you mean, they were okay with it, or unsurprised by it? I don't get your point.

58 posted on 05/27/2005 7:40:59 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: Brett66

Thanks Brett. I've posted this phrase a dozen times, with no takers, "Can anyone explain why we don't make them ACTUALLY filibuster?" 7th grade civics: Make them keep talking, when they can't go any more, they yield the floor. The chair calls for a vote. No rule changes required. Nothing's getting done anyway, WTF?


59 posted on 05/27/2005 7:45:44 PM PDT by j_tull (There are only two types of ships... Submarines and targets.)
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To: Kenny Bunkport
Because ANYONE who is in the least bit politically savvy, knows that Frist and the president WORK BEHIND THE SCENES ! That's just one reason WHY this "spin" ( I call it BOVINE EXCREMENT!), that the president sent Graham and De Wine to cover his arse, STINKS to high heaven and rings false.

The "compromise" is a power grab/ a coup de tat and a knife in the back of Frist and President Bush. It's akin to Julius Caesar giving the murderers the daggers they used to knife him to death on the Ides of March. Hmmm...And they were all SENATORS and "friends" too.

60 posted on 05/27/2005 7:59:02 PM PDT by nopardons
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