Posted on 05/24/2005 8:10:37 AM PDT by YaYa123
I agree with John Podhoretz that politics in the real world calls for some compromise — at least when a matter of principle is not involved. But he’s dreaming if he really thinks the filibuster “compromise” struck last night in the Senate is a “victory.”
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I didn't ask for rhetoric. I asked for how you were betrayed. Are you upset that three conservative judges are now getting votes? Are you ticked because you think (inaccurately) that Frist supported this deal?
So nothing has changed from yesterday - nothing except the GOP gets three judges to be voted on. Yet you award all to the Dems. ROTFLMAO!!
Come on, folks. I understand being upset, but some of the stuff on this forum is just laughable.
Okay, as long as the hyperventilating whiners and shriekers rename themselves the "Baby Out With the Bathwater" clique.
This is a terrible deal Coop. It is the same deal Harry Reid offered last week. It's not Firts's fault that McCain is a nut and a dumb nut at that but nonetheless the language that these idiots signed onto gains nothing and loses lots.
Hey Gary, I initially felt the same outrage as you did. But after sleeping on it and cooling off abit, I think Frist will get stronger in the long run over this. The true conservatives in the senate were with HIM, not McCain. I don't think he will hesitate to pull the trigger if need be on the next go round. He only needs 2 of the stray RINOs to get it done.
"I honestly don't have a problem with the deal, per se, because at least now three judges will get through that have been held up, with the GOP giving up nothing."
Have you actually read what is in this so-called "Deal." The GOP gave up nothing, huh? Are standing behind that statement 100% ??
I didn't hear the comment, but you could well be right. I expect one or more judges may well be tossed overboard, which will definitely tick me off.
If so, how could this be considered a short or long-term victory for Republicans?
I wouldn't call this deal a victory in either sense. I don't view it as a disaster like so many around here, but due to the PR damage done with its base it's IMHO a strategic loss/setback.
So then set aside the rhetoric and tell me what is so terrible, from the GOP's perspective, about this deal. If it's so darned terrible, as many here proclaim, then it should be fairly easy to tell me what's bad about it.
I have only read a handful of articles and many threads/comments - not the exact wording of the deal. Tell me what the GOP gave up.
I understand your point. But here is the problem. What the heck is "an extraordinary circumstance?" Until yesterday these judges were considered extreme. Now they are ok? That is the kind of low life individuals we are dealing with. And that is the reason that they are no longer the majority party.
But my major problem with this is that the GOP does not know how to act like it is the new majority party. They are still folding to the pressures of a bunch of tired clowns like Byrd and Reid. It is sickening.
Believe me, I am not down on Frist. I like Bill Frist. I am just tired of nothing getting done.
1. Where is the ban on gay marriage?
2. Where is the ban on abortion?
3. Where is less social programs?
4. Where is personal savings accounts for SS?
5. Where is the Fair Tax?
6. Where is the protection of the borders?
7. Why is the Patriot Act being expanded to things other than terrorism?
8. Why the campaign finance reform?
9. Why so much spending at the federal level?
10. Where is the major reform of medicine?
The republicans have controlled DC for years now and nothing is getting done. That is what I am tired of. And this "deal" is just another example of it.
"The very second a dem tries to block another nominee, Frist needs to pull the trigger IMMEDIATELY!!."
Absolutely. Time is on the Dems side, with the MSM trying to whip up support for abuse of the filibuster. Once public opinion rolls towards the Dems, the nuclear option becomes politically unviable, and the minority party takes charge of the Senate.
This was a win for Frist and a nail in McCains presidential coffin. McCain dissed religious and cultural conservatives across the country with his stunt. He doen't have a chance at the nomination. Don't be surprised if he pulls a Perot and goes independent to split the vote to insure a dem victory.
Last night, McCain, after announcing the compromise to end the filibuter, went out of whis way to say, "Not all the nominees will be confirmed."
When McQueeg said that, a chill ran down my spine. I knew then that he had sold out to the RATs. That, and all of his talk about "trust" and "the rights of the minority". What a bunch of cr@p!! McQueeg has come full circle -- he once was a prisoner of war who supposedly didn't rat out his fellow officers, and now he is a traitor to his party -- ratted out the GOP -- big time!
Business as usual.
I agree with your frustration on some of the other points, believe me. But fact is, the GOP does not have the votes in the Senate to do whatever it wants. Give some credit, though. We've had some taxes cut, our military strengthened, strategic alliances enhanced, the war taken to the terrorists, a pro-life culture advanced (and hopefully advanced even further with conservative judges confirmed!).
I think you are right. He will go indy when he realizes he has not shot at the Republican nomination.
Hillary
vs
McCain
vs
Republican
Who wins?
1. The Fillibuster of judges is retained in the senate.
2. 7 Republicans have committed not to change the rules of the senate in the 109th Congress.
3. Number 1 and number 2 combined assure no Bush nominee for SCOTUS will be confirmed in this Congress.
4. Democrat "moderates" in red states have been granted political cover by King John in the 2006 elections. They should have been forced to vote on cloture.
5. Speaking of cloture, there is nothing in the agreement that binds the 7 democrats to vote for cloture.
8. McCain and his dwarves have the temerity to tell the POTUS that he has to check with them before he sends judicial appointments to the senate in direct contravention of the constitution and the Federalis Papers discussion of "Advice and Consent". See Hamilton.
Need more?
Dear Senator Warner:
I am TOTALLY PISSED OFF at you. I couldn't believe the pic of you on comcast---smiling like you had just saved the world WHEN YOU JUST DESTROYED THE BASE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
Words cannot describe how disappointed I am in you and the other COCKROACH REPUBLICANS.
I have voted for you many times over the years, BUT THIS IS THE END.
I expected some of these other clowns to vote for this complete rip-off compromise (read: CAVE IN), but NOT YOU.
Little did I know, we never really understood where John Warner was coming from.
GOOD-BYE. FOREVER. And say good-bye to my money, too.
name/
address
(P.S. Don't waste your/my money mailing me with your garbage explanations. I'm smart all by myself. I get it. GOOD-BYE.)
Coop, I hope you are right. And believe me, I am a very optimistic person. But this does not seem like a good move to me. Sure, the 14 Dems in that room may not filibuster. But what about all the others? All it takes is one person to call a filibuster.
Also, I know we don't have enough votes to do whatever we please in the Senate. But 55 should be a stronger number than it in reality is.
Unfortunately it wouldn't surprise me if he goes indy, but I'm not so sure it would result in a Dem victory. As we have seen for years, much of his support comes from Dems and Indies. The GOP base doesn't like him. So he'll get a little bleed-off from the Pubbies, a lot from the indies, and some from the Dems. Obviously a lot would depend on the other candidates, but I'd say the numbers would marginally favor the GOP.
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