Posted on 05/24/2005 5:44:11 AM PDT by jdsteel
Before we explode in disgust about the RINO defectors, please consider this: IF the nominated judges get an up or down vote, we win. If a nominated judge gets blocked by filibuster again, we can still "pull the trigger" on the constitutional option...this time with "betrayed and outraged moderates" leading the way. As much as I want to just respond to this emotionally, I am trying to show patience to see how this pans out over the next month. I also am looking forward to seeing how the DUmmies seeth as judges are nominated. So, please, "hold your powder" but keep your eye on the target.
Both parties have always had to deal with RINOs and DINOs.
Leadership is winning with the team you have. NO party ever had a perfect team. LBJ from the 1964 electoin until 1966 election had a house and senate that was filibuster proof. But other than those two special yearss parties have had to win with the Senators they have. The standard strategy for a leader is to play divide and conquer with the RINOs.
Frist was Bush's hand picked senate leader. Frist has shown zero leadership ablitiy. Not only can't he lead, but he lied to us. He said he had the votes when he knew he did not. Lying to your own supporters is a not a way to win. Lying to your team only fixes it so they never follow you again.
It is the most massive defeat of leader in my life time. WE are in effect leaderless. Frist will have to be replaced or the losses will just continue to add up ...
"New World Order" or "One World Government" mean anything to you?
Powder stored for what, a Guy Falkes Day? It didn't work then either.
........and you base this number on exactly what, pulled out of which orifice............?
"...and remember to squeeze the trigger gently...."
Yeah sure, aim high, shoot at the sky, NOT.
I think it's because they are working for the same "boss".
Cuz that's what happened, last night.
What makes you think the moderates will ever be "betrayed and outraged"?
Most of us here on FR want these judges passed because they are conservative and will issue sound judgements that we agree with. We assume that all the Republicans think that way.
They don't. What if the moderates who signed this "agreement" really don't care whether conservative judges issue conservative rulings? What if they consider any battle of this nature with overt ideological overtones to be a "distraction" from the "real business" of the Senate? This business includes: sending pork home to the state, presiding over committees, making sure that your donors are happy, getting home in time to attend a cocktail party, and making absolutely certain that others are required to say, "Right this way, Senator sir" to you for another six years?
What we have here is a radical difference in perspective between Senators and the grassroots who elects them.
LBJ would have never let any Rat defy him when he was Senate Leader. He was an SOB, but he knew how to keep his people in line.
If you'd have included the phrase "leading the way", it would have been a triple.
The Dem's end of the "Deal" depends on the "spirit" while the RINOs have "signed, sealed & deliveried" their end to the Dems. Those RINOs are some horsetraders! They sold Bush right down the river.
You may be right. This may have been a way for the Dems to save face. I hope. Too often Republicans have bowed down to the vocal minority. I couldn't listen to the grand standing of the dems who worked this agreement. I got sick.
Excellent point Dave S.
Are we really considering the scenario that we may not have 50 votes for what was supposed to be the big vote today? Can you imagine the real and huge defeat we would have suffered if we vote today and lose to end the judicial filibuster? The Donkeys would have filibustered every judges a,d I mean every single one of them. No one of course want to consider this and thus you will see all the irrational fury?
I think this was a win for the GOP and President Bush. we got the 3 judges that were butchered by the Donkeys, and one of these judges and can be nominated to the USSC and the Democrats will find an extremely tough time to get 41 vote to filibuster any of them. And if they do then we we can use the nuclear option because it will give cover to at least 2 of seven Republicans/RINOS who struck the deal, to vote to end the filibuster.
We may know in few days that we really did not have the 50 votes to end the filibuster at this juncture.
They're not allowing the Republicans to save face while they're in the MAJORITY.
I saw Dingy Harry quoted on another thread saying "the 'nuclear option' is off the table for good."
I guess we can take that to the bank.
After all, we learned long ago which party is running things in Washington.
No. Acutally, point 2 depends on the "spirit" of the agreement. I would wager that at least 2 of the RINOS will bolt from the agreement if the donks try to filibuster a SCOTUS appointment. Warner, DeWine and Graham will bolt from the agreement if the donks try to do this again. I hate the agreement, but I think Graham and Warner really singed on out of concern for the senate and no other reason. I think that concern for the constitution should have trumped that, but this is how politics is played. I don't like it, but that is where we are.
Graham on now.
If the donks fillibuster, I think that Warner and Graham will back out of the agreement and the nuke will be deployed.
I saw Dingy Harry quoted on another thread saying "the 'nuclear option' is off the table for good."
Graham just confirmed that the nuke option is still on the table in spite of what dingy harry said. Warner and Graham, I think acutally tried to save the senate because they could not predict what would happen had the nuke been deployed at this time, under these circumstances. Since Graham is one of the signers, that gives us some measure of solice. McCain could not have pulled this off without him.
For the rest of the RINOS, defeat. Warner and Graham may be worth saving. None of the rest are.
Dave, think again. I hold reasonably high office in the GOP in one of the Mountain States. I'm giving myself a one month cooling off period and then deciding whether to resign from the party. I am reluctantly coming to the conclusion (this was just the proverbial straw) that conservatives will never have a real seat of power at the GOP's table.
Origional Post theme??--
how true..how true..calm down...
It's not like G.W. nominated Bill " skirt chasing " Clinton for the United Nations Chairman post or anything like that.
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