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1 posted on 05/16/2005 6:44:32 AM PDT by Tolik
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2 posted on 05/16/2005 6:45:16 AM PDT by Tolik
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He's not the first to say this, but I'm glad someone is saying it again.

I was going to chime in yesterday on another thread with a similar argument (ie, mow your own lawn).

During the Depression, you might have worked two jobs cleaning toilets and you were happy that you had both jobs. Granted, this isn't a depression, but everyone starts somewhere.

Then again, this is a whacked-out country where people can be too proud to flip burgers and yet they are NOT too proud to accept welfare when they can't find a job they like.

TS

4 posted on 05/16/2005 6:51:26 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: Tolik

Good article bump.


6 posted on 05/16/2005 7:26:11 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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Interesting, but a little to old style Democrat for my taste: accept all the illegals now here, and accept unionization? I don't think so.


9 posted on 05/16/2005 7:47:03 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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Nothing will happen until thne GOP is throw out of DC. Which can begin to happen in 06. If the GOP will not enforce the laws throw them out of office.


10 posted on 05/16/2005 7:49:44 AM PDT by jpsb (I already know I am a terrible speller)
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There is a reasonable approach to the United States' immigration problem, but it would require concessions all around.


The right would have to quit calling reformers "nativists" and "protectionists" and accept strict employer fines for hiring undocumented aliens. These conservatives should then expect to pay more for unskilled labor and see it organized and unionized. They'd also need to accept a legitimate, foolproof national identity card, and grant a one-time amnesty — not the periodic pardons of the past — for the millions of Mexicans who have lived in the United States for at least five years.


For its part, the left would have to jettison the tired "racist" slurs and accept that a nation has the right to secure and patrol its own borders. Liberals should concede that Mexican illegal immigrants do not have greater rights to entry than legal emigrants from the Punjab, the Philippines or South Korea who queue up for years waiting for proper documentation.


Latino immigrants must also make concessions. We are a melting pot, not a salad bowl — a multiracial not a multicultural nation. So those who come north should expect, as do those from Asia, to learn quickly to speak and read English, forgo the romance of la Raza ("the Race") and welcome their own integration, assimilation and intermarriage into the American body politic.


14 posted on 05/16/2005 8:09:35 AM PDT by Valin (The glass is 1/32 full! - The incredible optimist)
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I'll do my dishes, but what about my yard?????


17 posted on 05/16/2005 8:25:16 AM PDT by altura
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One more time, if you think illegals are expensive now wait until we legalize them. Another braindead liberal idea that is coming home to roost.


18 posted on 05/16/2005 8:30:41 AM PDT by John Lenin (The Mainstream Media needs to be crushed !)
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"The proposed program also lacks enforcement provisions to deal with the millions of aliens who will not participate in the program but still try to cross the border."

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"They'd also need to accept a legitimate, foolproof national identity card, and grant a one-time amnesty..."

This contradiction lies at the heart of the matter of why this issue still exists.

I agree that we need to work together on this issue and all sides need to make some concessions.

But there are some bottom-line rules we must address that this article glosses over. We must stop the flow of illegals over the border. We must do something with those that are already here (another amnesty will only serve as another light at the end of the illegal tunnel and encourage another wave of illegals seeking that same light). We must control the flow of legal immigrants to ensure that they assimilate.
24 posted on 05/16/2005 8:53:20 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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Yes to all but the "one time amnesty". There have been too many times already for it to be "one". There have been too many openly flouting the law without graditude or respect to consider an amnesty. Enforce the damn law.
28 posted on 05/16/2005 9:09:49 AM PDT by JasonC
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33 posted on 05/16/2005 9:17:38 AM PDT by gubamyster
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As usual, VDH nails it. I don't think I have anything to add.


37 posted on 05/16/2005 9:34:05 AM PDT by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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Brilliant as usual.


40 posted on 05/16/2005 9:46:27 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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My husband did landscaping as a teen, as well as janitorial work.
On that note, I read a vent to our paper the other day. A complaint about a teen not beong able to find a job, because they were already filled by illegals.
41 posted on 05/16/2005 9:49:08 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy (Walk Softly, For a Dream is Born)
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RE: vote the rascals out

Wouldn't it be nice if a party formed from the Minute Men Project, MoveAmericaForward, the swift boat (and other) vets, and the hundreds of other Country-before-Party-and-greed groups threw both Rats and Republicans out of Washington?

The recall in California was not a partisan issue. In fact, both the Democrats and the Republican Party opposed the recall. Once the Republicans saw that the people were going to be successful they elbowed everyone aside and took over with their man.

49 posted on 05/16/2005 12:07:54 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Goo- goo- google, good bye!)
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They'd also need to accept a legitimate, foolproof national identity card, and grant a one-time amnesty — not the periodic pardons of the past — for the millions of Mexicans who have lived in the United States for at least five years

BS. A general amnesty now would simply turn the U.S. over to Mexico, by virtue of swing vote politics and family reunification immigration.

At this point in history approximately half the people in Mexico have a relative in the United States. If those in the U.S. are legalized over the next 6 - 10 years, another 44 million in Mexico will be eligible to immigrate here as family members. And after that happens, virtually the rest of the country will become eligible, since everyone in Mexico will then have a family member who is either a U.S. Legal Permanent Resident or a citizen.

At that point, the ethnic majority in the United States will be Mexican - since there will be something like 130 million of them. When did we vote to become Mexico?

And it gets worse. Since for some unknown reason, members of the linguistic group "hispanics" are afforded un-equal treatment as a group in admission to schools and jobs (commonly known as affirmative action). This robot-like mechanism will require more and more of their group to displace any one of caucasian persuasion, whether Lithuanian or Irish, since in-Justice Sandra "Sandy Baby" O'Connor asserted that said preferences are a "compelling government interest in diversity", not a rectification of past wrongs.

In other words, the more that come...the more they get, as a result of judicial fiat. Something that VDH refuses to address.

His whole argument here is that mass immigration is no problem as long as they assimilate. Crap. Mass immigration of either flavor (legal or illegal) is the problem. The Americans should have the right to decide who will live among them. We should not be compelled to live with our enemies. Immigration should be low and controlled, a situation that existed for virtually all of American history except for the spike in the late 19th century - early 20th, and the last 30 years.

50 posted on 05/16/2005 12:20:03 PM PDT by Regulator
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