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On CAFTA, Dems must choose unions or Hispanics
JWR ^ | 5-13-05 | Dick Morris

Posted on 05/13/2005 10:00:03 AM PDT by FlyLow

The Bush administration is planning to submit CAFTA — the Central America Free Trade Agreement — to the Congress for approval. Democrats and labor unions are indicating their usual opposition, and a fight reminiscent of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) battle over trade with Mexico in the early '90s seems about to begin.

But the battle comes at a critical time for the political parties, since the Hispanic vote has come dramatically into play in the recent presidential election. While Al Gore beat Bush by 65-35 percent among Hispanics, Kerry won by only 55-45. Hispanics cast 10 million votes in 2004, so the gains Bush made over his 2000 vote share amount to a 2 million vote swing in his favor. Since Bush won by only 3.1 million votes in 2004, the importance of the Latino vote is apparent.

CAFTA is an attempt to bring to the poverty-stricken countries of Central America the benefits of free trade with the colossus of the north. These nations are among the world's poorest, and free trade would be a tremendous boon to their economies.

NAFTA has hurt them, since it has given Mexico a competitive advantage over its neighbors. Why build a factory in Guatemala and pay tariffs to import your products to the United States when you can build it next door in Mexico and import without levies or duties?

Those who oppose illegal immigration cannot have it both ways. Either you alleviate poverty in Central America and encourage would-be immigrants to stay home and share in the increasing wealth or you keep them in poverty and watch as they flock over our borders.

(Excerpt) Read more at jewishworldreview.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cafta; dickmorris; hispanics; latinamerica; trade; unions
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1 posted on 05/13/2005 10:00:03 AM PDT by FlyLow
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To: FlyLow

Nothing good will come of this. As long as our current Government pursues free trade, our country will continue the downward slide into a 3rd world country.


2 posted on 05/13/2005 10:05:16 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: DownInFlames
As long as our current Government pursues free trade illegal immigration, our country will continue the downward slide into a 3rd world country.
3 posted on 05/13/2005 10:16:02 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: FlyLow
CAFTA removes the tariffs THOSE countries impose on us. We don't impose any on them.

There is no reason to oppose CAFTA since it's so heavily in our favor.

4 posted on 05/13/2005 10:18:35 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: agere_contra

LOL. At the rate we are sliding downward (economically), we'll become a Third World country, well, never.


5 posted on 05/13/2005 10:19:09 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Agreed! The US economy is going very well. Though culturally the US needs to make sure it doesn't end up with loads of unassimilated non-english speakers within its own borders. Legal immigration is the key to assimilation
6 posted on 05/13/2005 10:21:45 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: agere_contra

Fair enough.


7 posted on 05/13/2005 10:22:30 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Dog Gone
"There is no reason to oppose CAFTA since it's so heavily in our favor."
Hopefully it will benifit the American worker just like NAFTA does. /sarc
8 posted on 05/13/2005 10:23:22 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: jaydubya2

Read the text of CAFTA and then come back to tell us what you don't like about it.


9 posted on 05/13/2005 10:25:23 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: FlyLow

No CAFTA, NAFTA, GATT, or any of this 15000 page "free" trade documents.


10 posted on 05/13/2005 10:26:33 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Fire Stabenow in 2006")
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To: FlyLow

Gee, tough choice for the RATS, but I'm guessing they'll side with the guys who give them the most illegal money, and that would be the unions.


11 posted on 05/13/2005 10:28:28 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: 1rudeboy
Glad things are going well in your state. Over here thanks to Granholm and a few RINOs, it's another story.

Closed shops, and the special small business tax here needs to go.

12 posted on 05/13/2005 10:29:26 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Fire Stabenow in 2006")
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To: FlyLow
Unions or Hispanics?

Easy one for me since I am an American with Hispanic roots. I hate unions!.. and I don't see that the commerce with this block of poor countries will hurt us really. Look at it another way, why only Mexico should get all the benefits of free trade? Either the entire block gets it or none.

It's not like Mexico is such a great neighbor, is it?

13 posted on 05/13/2005 10:32:21 AM PDT by ElPatriota (let's not forget, we are all still friends despite our differences)
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To: Dog Gone
I've read some on it. On the surface, it sounds like it could benifit the American farmers. But I think ultimatly it will send more jobs out of the country. American workers cannot compete with the wages on the Mexican worker, and South American wages are even lower.
I'm open for discussion on the subject.
I don't think we've given NAFTA enough time to really see it's effect. I don't want to rush into CAFTA.
Why ado you fell CAFTA is a good thing?
14 posted on 05/13/2005 10:33:22 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: agere_contra

That's right -- and CAFTA will fail if it becomes joined in the public mind to support for illegal immigration. The Bush administration and national GOP are suffering substantial damage among their base due to support for illegal and excessive immigration. CAFTA may become one of the casualties.


15 posted on 05/13/2005 10:34:18 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: FlyLow

Good headline.


16 posted on 05/13/2005 10:34:58 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: Rockingham
The Bush administration and national GOP are suffering substantial damage among their base due to support for illegal and excessive immigration.

Only in the minds of a few people. If so many people were obsessed with a single issue than it would have showed up in the 2004 election. Not one single poll had it listed as a high priority issue with voters. The President won, the Republican Party won, the Constitution Party didn't get a larger percentage of voters, and Tancredo didn't get enough write in votes to be a blip on the radar.

17 posted on 05/13/2005 10:42:46 AM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Just Blame President Bush For Everything, It Is Easier Than Using Your Brain)
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To: jaydubya2
American workers cannot compete with the wages on the Mexican worker, and South American wages are even lower.

Correct. Any American /Western industry enjoys remarkable competitive advantages (technology, acess to capital, a stable currency, a stable political system, excellent infrastructure, the rule of law) BUT are always going to get hosed on wages compared with any poorer country that somehow makes the same product cheaper or better.

If an industry is uncompetitive then eventually it must adapt or die. Protecting it with tariffs makes an industry into a form of welfare - the taxpayers are subsidising the industries inability to make a profit.

This is the unpalatable part of free trade: I have to change what I do for a living, or how I do it, in order to compete. I can't just wait for a government hand-out.

But the huge advantage of free trade is how much it increases the wealth of both trade-partners. Suddenly both countries have more goods and/or money, and so can afford to hire people for other projects. Many western countries seem to the casual observer to have massive service industries and no great manufacturing base. This is because they are simply trading for cheap food, cheap furniture, cheap cars etc. If people in (say) Britain had to rely on home-produced goods then the country would be immeasurably poorer, even if we had the factories and farms to produce every item ourselves..

18 posted on 05/13/2005 11:02:02 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: agere_contra

You hit the nail on the head!


19 posted on 05/13/2005 11:04:50 AM PDT by raivyn (I love the smell of FUMING LIBERALS in the morning, but I hate the noise. (Don't you?))
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To: DownInFlames; All
NAFTA, CAFTA, FAFTA, CRAPTA, after those.......go figure about the idea of free trade crap Bush supports. Can we trust the countries in the UN to honor their own agreements? Mexico and Canada isn't honoring parts of the agreement. Why do we need another 'free' trade agreement?

Not enough to convince you. Then, strip out quarterly dollars paid for oil imports in our nations trade deficit. Plot those remaining dollars of the trade deficit as a % of the GDP against the % Change (Growth) in GDP. Look at the slopes of the lines.

What do you see as far as how well NAFTA and the PAC Rim trade agreement has helped the US overall?

Guess I just stupid and see something our politicians do not.

Have a great weekend all!

20 posted on 05/13/2005 11:16:46 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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