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KEN STARR'S REAL VIEWS
NRO Corner ^ | 05/12/05 | Ramesh Ponnuru

Posted on 05/12/2005 10:45:25 AM PDT by Pikamax

KEN STARR'S REAL VIEWS [Ramesh Ponnuru]

CBS, AP, and other outlets reported earlier this week that Starr had said that getting rid of the judicial filibuster would be a "radical, radical departure from our history and our traditions, and it amounts to an assault on the judicial branch of government."

This seemed like a very odd thing for Starr to say, so I contacted him.

He forwarded to me an email he had sent to someone else who had asked about this matter:

"In the piece that I have now seen, and which I gather is being lavishly quoted, CBS employed two snippets. The 'radical departure' snippet was specifically addressed -- although this is not evidenced whatever from the clip -- to the practice of invoking judicial philosopy as a grounds for voting against a qualified nominee of integrity and experience. I said in sharp language that that practice was wrong. I contrasted the current practice . . . with what occurred during Ruth Ginsburg's nomination process, as numerous Republicans voted (rightly) to confirm a former ACLU staff lawyer. They disagreed with her positions as a lawyer, but they voted (again, rightly) to confirm her. Why? Because elections, like ideas, have consequences. . . . In the interview, I did indeed suggest, and have suggested elsewhere, that caution and prudence be exercised (Burkean that I am) in shifting/modifying rules (that's the second snippet), but I likewise made clear that the 'filibuster' represents an entirely new use (and misuse) of a venerable tradition. . . .

"[O]ur friends are way off base in assuming that the CBS snippets, as used, represent (a) my views, or (b) what I in fact said."


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To: Howlin

FRAUD from CBS?? Gosh, who'da thunk. Isn't Starr the guy who let Bill Clinton walk in exchange for a "guilty" plea tailor written to neither prove nor disprove Clinton's guilt or innocence? So now he's trying to regain relavance. I'm beginning to dislike him INTENSELY.


141 posted on 05/12/2005 12:10:09 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: lightingguy

The latest from CBS - unreal.


142 posted on 05/12/2005 12:10:49 PM PDT by agrace (All I have seen teaches me to trust the Creator for all I have not seen. - Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: Howlin; Alamo-Girl; onyx; ALOHA RONNIE; SpookBrat; Republican Wildcat; dixiechick2000; RonDog; ...
KEN STARR'S REAL VIEWS

SeeBS caught LYING AGAIN!!

Rush Limbaugh is nailing them on his show today, also, btw.


Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest ping list!. . .don't be shy.


143 posted on 05/12/2005 12:11:34 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: advance_copy
If they were ever to try it, Democrats would invoke the "nuclear option" in a heartbeat

This, IMO, is the real crux of it: if Republicans back off this time, then we all KNOW the demonRATs will never, never, ever hesitate - should they ever again have a majority. So WTF are they afraid of after all? The possibilities are endless.

144 posted on 05/12/2005 12:13:06 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Theodore: the GOOD Roosevelt)
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To: Bella_Bru
it's dangerous to go with the nuclear option as we will NOT always be in charge

Do you really believe that, were the democrats in the majority and such obstruction was occuring by the republican minority, that democrats would hesitate for one minute to go nuclear? If you do, you are dreaming. Therefore I do not see the danger.

145 posted on 05/12/2005 12:14:55 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Theodore: the GOOD Roosevelt)
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To: MeekOneGOP
Rats, I was trying to ping you to this thread and all I could think of for a screen name was "Meek1GOP"...needless to say, there was no poster by that name.
146 posted on 05/12/2005 12:15:57 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: Pikamax
The liberal press twisted this story so much, they reported just the opposite of what Starr said. He should demand a public apology on every talk show he can get on, plus demand the person in charge of the broadcast resign from CBS immediately.
CBS has got to be held accountable for blatant lies they use as "news."
147 posted on 05/12/2005 12:17:31 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: Liberty Valance
Thank you for posting the e-mail address for CBS News. I used it to send the following note to them. If there is any reply, I will post it on this thread.

Ladies & Gentlemen,

I have now read the e-mail from Judge Kenneth Starr stating that CBS News cut and pasted his comments in order to report that his viewpoint on the "nuclear/constitutional option" in the US Senate to the exact opposite of what he said. I also understand that CBS has refused to release the entire transcript of his interview which would, of course, establish immediately whether Judge Starr is telling the truth.

It would also establish whether certain CBS employees edited the Starr statements in a way to slander him, as well as grossly to violate ordinary journalistic standards.

I have practiced First Amendment law in the US Supreme Court for more than 30 years. I have just sent a recommendation to Judge Starr that he file suit against CBS for its failures, including a demand that the court order CBS to release the full transcript.

I would NOT be the attorney on such a case. I believe, however, it would succeed. I submit that it is time for CBS, if it did edit Judge Starr's comments to the reverse of what he actually said, should act immediately to cut its losses, admit its errors, and fire the people responsible for this broadcast falsehood.

I seek an answer to this e-mail, but I'm not very hopeful that I will receive one.

Very Truly Yours,

John Armor /s/

John Armor, Esq.
Highlands, NC 28741

148 posted on 05/12/2005 12:19:13 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (For copies of my speech, "Dealing with Outlaw Judges," please Freepmail me.)
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To: Williams

What they did to Ken Starr is a typical 60 Minutes tactic. To do other than a live interview is asking for trouble.


149 posted on 05/12/2005 12:21:11 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother ( We need a few more Marines like Lt. Gen. James Mattis)
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To: advance_copy
See my post near the end of this thread. I just recommended to Judge Starr that he file such an action against CBS News, immediately.

John / Billybob
150 posted on 05/12/2005 12:21:37 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (For copies of my speech, "Dealing with Outlaw Judges," please Freepmail me.)
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To: wolf24
Don't forget that Harry Reid 'quoted' Starr from the CBS interview on the floor of the Senate yesterday.

Well, then, mission accomplished.

See-bs was successful if they got a "quote" like this from Starr entered into the Senate record.

Just doing the job of deceiving the public once again.

151 posted on 05/12/2005 12:21:42 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Pikamax
If Ken Starr had any brains or credibilty he would...
Sue cBS, Viacom, and any and all those connected with releaseing this defamation of his character....

But he don't have either..
i.e. his inditing Bubba on sex while horny.. while a mountain of evidence proved virtual treason.. or at least sedition <--which there are Zero laws against in the United States.. and Treason is defacto legal....

Oh! yeah.. Nevermind.. (Sedition is legal here).. and treason is merely a political tool..

152 posted on 05/12/2005 12:22:52 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: texasbluebell

Reid and See-BS are definitely in cahoots on this one, IMO.


153 posted on 05/12/2005 12:23:38 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Theodore: the GOOD Roosevelt)
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To: Pikamax

Anyone who talks to CBS should have their head examined.


154 posted on 05/12/2005 12:25:02 PM PDT by KenmcG414
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To: cake_crumb
Thank you. Great news.

155 posted on 05/12/2005 12:26:12 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Phantom Lord
Phantom Lord said: I do however support getting rid of the "Gentlemans Fillibuster" which is what is being used now.

I think that what you are describing as a "Gentleman's Filibuster" is simply the result of the fact that the Republicans control the flow of activities on the Senate floor. The Republicans are forced to conclude sessions without a vote because the Democrats threaten to filibuster. The Republicans control the floor virtually all the time.

If the Republicans forced the Demoncrats to filibuster, then the Demoncrats would control the floor. The cameras would roll non-stop recording Demoncrat lies.

If the Republicans forced this, then the media would have a field day blaming Republican stubborness for closing down the Senate.

As for your opinion that the filibuster should be retained for judicial nominees, do you really think that a majority Demoncrat Senate would retain this rule if the situation was reversed? The media would have a field-day pointing out how there was no Constitutional super-majority associated with "advice and consent".

156 posted on 05/12/2005 12:26:25 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: Fudd Fan

It's a modification of the old Stalinist and Maoist propaganda ploy of airbrushing out the political opponents who aren't "convenient" at the time.


157 posted on 05/12/2005 12:26:31 PM PDT by CDB
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To: Paradox
Prior to 2002, there were only ten "filibusters" of judicial nominees in the Senate, going back to when Lyndon Johnson was President. In nine of those ten instances, the nominee did receive an up-or-down majority vote.

The only exception was when Johnson nominated Abe Fortas to move up from Associate Justice to Chief Justice. In that one instance, Republicans and Democrats not only supported the filibuster, but a majority of all Senators voting, voted against Fortas. Four days later, Fortas withdrew his name.

A few years later, Fortas resigned from the Court itself over ethical problems that had first reared their head in the Senate at that time.

And now you know the REST of the story.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "Lies, D*mned Lies, and the Washington Post"

159 posted on 05/12/2005 12:30:01 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (For copies of my speech, "Dealing with Outlaw Judges," please Freepmail me.)
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To: William Tell
If the Republicans forced the Demoncrats to filibuster, then the Demoncrats would control the floor. The cameras would roll non-stop recording Demoncrat lies.

Yes, but only as long as 1 of them could talk. You can't have one person fillibuster, stop talking (which ends the fillibuster), and then start another one or replace that speaker with another speaker.

It would only last about 24 hours at most.

160 posted on 05/12/2005 12:32:17 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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