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Gun control myths just won't die (Canada's corrupt Liberals undeterred by facts, logic)
National Post - Canada ^ | Monday, May 09, 2005 | Lorne Gunter (NP - Editorial)

Posted on 05/09/2005 8:53:01 AM PDT by GMMAC

Gun control myths just won't die

NATIONAL POST
Monday, May 09, 2005
Editorials, Page: A18
Lorne Gunter


I have never owned a firearm. Heck, I've never even held a real gun, much less fired one. Still, there are few federal programs that irk me more than Ottawa's gun registry.

It's not just the waste, although that's atrocious -- nearly $2-billion for a dysfunctional pile of uselessness.

And it's not just the uselessness. The registry is also one of those truisms for liberals, one of their articles of blind faith. To a liberal, universal registration of guns is something all intelligent people must support or, well, they're not intelligent. They use gun control as a litmus test for who is and isn't sophisticated and subtle of mind. So that even if you can prove the registry will have no practical effect -- it won't prevent armed robberies or murders, or keep enraged spouses from killing one another -- a liberal still has to cling to it for fear of being seen as NOKD (not our kind, dear).

But what troubles me most is what it says about its supporters' attitude toward the people and government. Backing most gun laws amounts to proclaiming trust in government over trust in one's fellow citizens.

This is especially true of Canada's gun registry. You really, really have to have faith in government, and be really, really suspicious of the gun owner down the block to continue to think our national registry will ever do any good.

Frankly, I'll take my law-abiding neighbours over politicians, bureaucrats, experts and advocates any day.

Believers in our registry like to say that since its inception in 1998 it has helped keep gun licences out of the hands of 13,000 people deemed unstable or too violent to possess guns. What they never boast about is that the registry doesn't even try to track the 131,000 convicted criminals in Canada who have been prohibited by the courts from owning guns.

Gee, who do you think is the greater risk?

Still, the fact that 13,000 Canadians -- about one-half of one per cent of applicants -- have been refused a licence in the past seven years might be meaningful if gun-controllers could then point to lowered murder rates, or show that firearms suicides have declined faster than suicides by other methods, or demonstrate a significant reduction in spousal homicides (most of the 13,000 denials have stemmed from complaints by one partner against another).

But despite these thousands of licence refusals, government ministers and special interest groups who favour the registry can't even point to a reduction in armed robberies.

The registry is not keeping the unfit from getting guns, just licences. And licences don't kill people, guns do. Keeping licences out of the hands of people who shouldn't have guns is meaningless.

James Roszko, the slayer of four Mounties in Alberta, had been banned from owning guns for the past five years. But paper gun controls were useless at keeping him from acquiring the weapons he used in his murders.

The only meaningful gun control is taking firearms away from criminals. And since crooks, drug dealers and murderers don't register their weapons, the registry is useless in this task.

Consider, too, (from the latest Statistics Canada homicide report), that 68% of firearms murders in Canada in 2003 were committed with handguns, and handguns have been subject to mandatory federal registration since 1934. Indeed, in the past 15 years, the percentage of total murders committed with handguns has doubled, despite their being tightly controlled.

That should tell you all you need to know about the worth of firearms registries.

Now the Library of Parliament has released a comparison of violent crime rates in the Northern Plains states versus Canada's Prairie provinces. The simple conclusion: Rates of gun ownership among law-abiding private citizens have no effect on crime.

Despite having nearly twice as many households with guns as their Canadian counterparts -- and similar economic, cultural and social demographics -- Minnesota, North Dakota, Montana and Idaho have lower crime rates than Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta. Researchers determined "both violent and property crime rates were two-thirds higher in the Canadian Prairie provinces than in the four border states."

Murder was 1.1 times higher; violent assaults and attempted murder, 1.5 times; robbery, 2.1 times; breaking and entering, 2.3; and vehicle theft, 3.2.

Harassing duck hunters, target shooters and gun collectors to register their firearms will have no effect on crime. But don't tell liberals. They take great comfort in their myths.

© National Post 2005


TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; canada; corruption; guncontrol; gunregistry; liberals; lies
Facts and logic don't even slow down elitist control freaks determined to impose their ideology-driven agenda at whatever cost to tax-payers!!!
1 posted on 05/09/2005 8:53:10 AM PDT by GMMAC
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To: fanfan; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; coteblanche; ...
PING!
2 posted on 05/09/2005 8:54:05 AM PDT by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: GMMAC
A $1 billion is peanuts. Canada's Liberals can at least convince themselves they kept America's "Wild West" atmosphere out of the country.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
3 posted on 05/09/2005 8:57:57 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: GMMAC
Rates of gun ownership among law-abiding private citizens have no effect on crime.

Don't think he quite got the message:

Despite having nearly twice as many households with guns as their Canadian counterparts -- and similar economic, cultural and social demographics -- Minnesota, North Dakota, Montana and Idaho have lower crime rates than Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta. Researchers determined "both violent and property crime rates were two-thirds higher in the Canadian Prairie provinces than in the four border states."

5 posted on 05/09/2005 8:59:24 AM PDT by Grut
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To: GMMAC

Do you have a link for the study?


6 posted on 05/09/2005 9:03:24 AM PDT by nettuno
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To: GMMAC
Even this liberal doesn't understand (or, at least, claims not to understand) why gun regiistration is a basic left wing belief. In has nothing to do with "sophistication," it is solely about a minority being able to more easily disarm everyone, leaving only the neocommunists with weapons.

An armed populace will be very difficult to enslave. Today's neocummunists so how the communists of yesterday walked in to the country's of Eastern Europe without much concern for armed opposition. Internal conquerors want the same easy walk.

They plan ahead and drive multiple strategies to ensure that the potential armed opposition is reduced in every way. Every rule and regulation limiting ownership of fire arms is based on a desire to tip the balance to armed revolutionaries.

7 posted on 05/09/2005 9:08:23 AM PDT by Tacis ( SEAL THE FRIGGEN BORDER!!!)
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To: GMMAC
Gun control is never about crime control. Even though the anit's yell and scream it from the roof tops.

It is all about controlling the people. People who own guns for the most part are more independent think for themselves and are less likely to be looking for the government to help them.

We can not adopt socialist reforms if we have independent people.

8 posted on 05/09/2005 9:18:17 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: Tacis
While I happen to agree with you - and Lorne Gunter, at least to some extent, may as well - the mere fact that he didn't opt to voice this particular argument within this one specific Editorial hardly makes him a liberal: large or small "L".
Aside from the totalitarian ideology driving it, Canada's Gun Registry is wrong and stupid on so many other levels that a book could literally be filled enumerating and documenting them all. Given the space he had available, IMHO, Lorne did an excellent job of making the primary case that it should rightly be scrapped.
9 posted on 05/09/2005 9:34:12 AM PDT by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: GMMAC

Scrap that dham registry.
It was a mistake.. simple.

At coffee the other day with my redneck coffee gang...........a friend was ranting over updating his registration ...it cost him $60.... meanwhile everyone else also gun owners had never registered yet... :o)


10 posted on 05/09/2005 9:41:31 AM PDT by Tungenchek
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To: GMMAC

Mine aren't registered...out of sight out of mind...


11 posted on 05/09/2005 10:26:45 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: GMMAC

Pulled from my Vault of Old Posts:

The Fire Up North ( Canada's Billion-Dollar Gun Registration Black Hole...)
various links & websites | 01-21-03 | The Heavy Equipment Guy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/826556/posts


12 posted on 05/09/2005 10:45:36 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Tacis

Trust me, Mr. Gunter is not a liberal on this issue. He is well aware of the facts and the work of John Lott, et. al. He just doesn't think the Canadian populace is ready for the whole truth.


13 posted on 05/09/2005 12:02:34 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
What I can't figure out is with all of adscam in the papers and TV, why aren't people screaming demands to know where this two billion dollars for this firearms registry went. Two billion dollars is a LOT of computer and software.

Before this is all said and done, people are going to find that this "gun registry" is a boondoggle that is going to put adscam to shame, IMHO. Yet I never hear people asking where all this money went for a registry that was supposed to cost 2 million to start with.

I just can't figure itout I guess.

14 posted on 05/09/2005 11:13:01 PM PDT by America's Resolve (Liberal Democrats are liars, cheats and thieves with no morals, scruples, ethics or honor!)
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To: America's Resolve

The Canadian public is somnabulent. They are totally inurred to what is going on in public life. They have swallowed the liberal mantra on guns: "guns are bad". That's all they know.


15 posted on 05/10/2005 4:58:00 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (.)
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