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Pat Robertson:No Muslim judges
World Net Daily ^ | May 3, 2005 | World Net Daily

Posted on 05/03/2005 2:33:03 PM PDT by 26lemoncharlie

Islamic leaders demand apology for 'hate-filled remarks'

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

Evangelist Pat Robertson is in trouble with U.S. Islamic organizations for saying Muslims should not serve in the president's Cabinet or as judges.

Pat Robertson

In an appearance on ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" Sunday, Robertson, who ran for president in 1988, said if were elected he would not appoint Muslims to his Cabinet and that he was not in favor of Muslims serving as judges.

"They have said in the Quran there's a war against all the infidels," Robertson said. "Do you want somebody like that sitting as a judge? I wouldn't."

The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations yesterday called on "mainstream political and religious leaders" to repudiate the "hate-filled remarks."

"This type of hate-filled rhetoric deserves repudiation from all who respect America's long-standing tradition of pluralism," said Rabiah Ahmed, CAIR's communication coordinator.

Ahmed said many Muslims already serve with distinction in many levels of government, including judgeships at the state and local level.

Arsalan Iftikhar, CAIR's national legal director, said Robertson "has taken his far-right-wing rhetoric to absurd levels."

"He is trying to perpetuate this notion that Islam is a monolithic entity inherently at odds with modernity and democracy," Iftikhar said. "That is absolutely false. ... American Muslims have long been contributing members of American society.

Iftikhar added: "And I guarantee to Mr. Robertson that Muslims will one day become part of the federal bench -- whether or not he likes it."

Muslims were particularly outraged by a 2002 appearance on Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes" program in which Robertson said about Islam's prophet, Muhammad: "This man was an absolute wild-eyed fanatic. He was a robber and a brigand. And to say that these terrorists distort Islam, they're carrying out Islam. ... I mean, this man (Muhammad) was a killer. And to think that this is a peaceful religion is fraudulent."

Robertson also called Islam "a monumental scam" and claimed the Quran "is strictly a theft of Jewish theology."


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To: 26lemoncharlie

Robertson also mentioned in this interview that Rudy Guiliani would make a "great president". I think he has it backwards. I'd personally rather see a pro-life Muslim judge than a pro-abortion president.


361 posted on 05/04/2005 10:02:13 AM PDT by jmc813 (All I cared about was booze, stock cars and women.)
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To: Modernman

Thank you for making some rather well articulated points, it is a welcome edition to this thread.


362 posted on 05/04/2005 10:12:27 AM PDT by Ksnavely
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To: Modernman

" Doesn't matter. If a word in the Constitution has a plain meaning, there is no need to look at original intent."

Thats precisely what I have been saying, if the founding fathers wanted to say Christian denominations they would have said just that. Intelligent men like the founding fathers wouldn't leave important words in a constitution (or any other important legal document) so ambiguous, it quite literally means what it says and says what it means.


363 posted on 05/04/2005 10:16:40 AM PDT by Ksnavely
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To: jmc813
"I'd personally rather see a pro-life Muslim judge than a pro-abortion president."

Agreed, after all there is no great monstrous or terrorist act, then allowing deliberate wholesale slaughter of the most innocent among us: our babies.
364 posted on 05/04/2005 10:18:38 AM PDT by Ksnavely
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To: Ksnavely
Thank you for making some rather well articulated points, it is a welcome edition to this thread.

There are some dumb freepers (usually Michael Savage listeners, BTW) who think that if a person does not support putting Muslims in camps, that person is a terrorist-lover. They simply do not have the mental capacity to understand that, in this country, the law treats people as individuals.

If an individual Muslim commits a terrorist act, string him up. If an individual Muslim is a law-abiding member of American society, he should be treated no different than anyone else.

And, I love it when freepers from places like Idaho and Florida put up pictures from 9/11 and tell me that I don't "get" what happened that day. Hey, dumbasses, I missed being in the WTC on 9/11 by about 15 minutes. I got to watch pretty much the whole damn thing from my balcony in Jersey City. Such people can bite me.

365 posted on 05/04/2005 10:25:46 AM PDT by Modernman ("Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Ksnavely

"If Islam is so incompatible with democracy then how do you explain the success of democratic reforms in Iraq and Afghanistan?"

It happened because of American troops and American values. I applaud it, but islam will constantly threaten its viability...


366 posted on 05/04/2005 11:16:01 AM PDT by teawithmisswilliams
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To: Modernman

Peddle it somewhere else. We have plenty of anecdotal evidence about the violent nature of Muslims.


367 posted on 05/04/2005 11:55:08 AM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: SALChamps03
Peddle it somewhere else.

I'm not peddling anything. You may have a case of paranoia, IMO.

We have plenty of anecdotal evidence about the violent nature of Muslims.

Violent nature of Muslims? Several million Muslims are American citizens. AFAIK, there is no evidence that they are any more violent than the average American.

368 posted on 05/04/2005 12:14:35 PM PDT by Modernman ("Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Quix

Thanks!

I WILL check it out!

:)


369 posted on 05/04/2005 1:17:28 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Quix

"He is in the process of cleaning the field up, imho. I don't know how long that will take."

I believe this is VERY true!


370 posted on 05/04/2005 1:19:28 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Modernman

That is exactly what was done until 1960. In fairness to JFK, he would be considered a right wing wacko today, and I would prefer his policies over Bushes.


371 posted on 05/04/2005 1:31:24 PM PDT by usa1776
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To: Ksnavely

It doesn't make sense to just ignore the historical context of teh Constitution.


372 posted on 05/04/2005 1:33:38 PM PDT by usa1776
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To: 26lemoncharlie
Here are some quotes from Catholics on the subject:

As to changing the word of the Bible:
"The underlying idea behind the protestant reformation is the idea that the bible alone is the only rule of faith. The bible does not support this belief."
from: http://www.infpage.com/concordance/additional.htm

Salvation modified:

"Martin Luther, wanting to avoid the responsibility of doing good works, promoted the idea of faith alone as a means of salvation. The Church has always taught that faith, hope, and love (charity) are required for salvation. The only time the expression "faith alone" is mentioned in the bible is in James 2:24, where the author says Abraham was NOT saved by faith alone." --from same site as above quote.

"Good Works in Sanctifying Grace are Necessary for Salvation" http://www.scripturecatholic.com/salvation.html#tradition-I

Compare the above two quotes to John 3:16. They are not consistent, one has to be right, the other wrong.

There are hundreds of examples, so this is just a few. Go to Google and enter "reformation" and you will find many articles on the topic of Christianity v. catholicism.

The Catholic Church has more in common with Islam than Christianity. And America didn't have a Catholic President until 1960 because from 1776-1956 Americans did feel that the influence of the Catholic Church was dangerous to our founding values-- no different than they would have considered the doctrines of Islam today.

Agree with the concern or not, it is a part of American History.
373 posted on 05/04/2005 2:04:34 PM PDT by usa1776
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To: sinkspur
You are free to not allow facts and truth to enter into you dialog. There is something to be said for consistency.
374 posted on 05/04/2005 2:11:46 PM PDT by usa1776
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To: Ksnavely
This brings up the Patrick Henry issue. He refused to sign the Constitution because he felt that people would rely on it to protect their freedoms instead of the people relying on their values to protect their freedom.

The values at conflict here are free speech and group think, by retreating to the Constitution group think is sure to win. That also explains how socialism has advanced in our society.
375 posted on 05/04/2005 2:17:45 PM PDT by usa1776
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To: usa1776
You are free to not allow facts and truth to enter into you dialog.

It is simply not true that Catholicism is not included under the umbrella of "Christianity."

It is you who are out of step.

376 posted on 05/04/2005 2:25:09 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: Ksnavely
Not true at all. There were many Christians that opposed catholicism. In fact, the Catholic church killed many millions more christians to hold on to their power than Muslims. Eventually, the Catholic Church lost its monopoly on power, and the dark ages ended.

How can so many people know so little about the history of western civilization?
Christianity is the word of God, Catholicism is the word of man. A difference worth noting.
377 posted on 05/04/2005 2:25:26 PM PDT by usa1776
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To: Ksnavely

Just for a historical note, the Baptist were around since about 400 A.D. Would you call them Protestants? I assume not since the Protestanst didn't come until the reformation.

As already noted in other posts, there were many Christians oppressed by the Catholic Church. No, the Catholic Church was never at any time in history the only "church". It was powerful enough to suppress others at times, it no longer is. The struggle between Christianity and Catholicism has existed since day one of the Catholic Church, and every day since.


378 posted on 05/04/2005 2:36:48 PM PDT by usa1776
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To: usa1776

Let me get this straight, you are saying that the Catholic Church isn't the Christian church throughout history, and your commenting on my lack of knowledge of western history?


379 posted on 05/04/2005 2:57:51 PM PDT by Ksnavely
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To: usa1776
Just because Catholicism does not adhere to your (obviously protestant) interpretation of the Christian faith, does not mean it is not treated by historians as the Christian Church.

Plus there are millions of Catholics who would disagree with you calling them unchristian, and with good reason.

Jesus said I am the way the truth and the light, no man comes to the father but by me and you are by definition a Christian if you believe in Jesus and believe he is what he says he is. Notice when Jesus said no one comes to the father but by me, he did no tack on a bunch of other requirements such as believing in the absolute authority (and divinely Inspired origin) of a letter written to a slave master by Paul (Philemon anyone?) Could I interpret your attempt to tack on addition requirements to go to heaven as being unchristian just like you do to the Catholics?
380 posted on 05/04/2005 3:06:33 PM PDT by Ksnavely
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