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Tolerance triumph in Kingdom of Heaven.
Telegraph India ^ | 04/25/05 | Telegraph India

Posted on 04/26/2005 4:14:00 PM PDT by Pikamax

Tolerance triumph in Kingdom of Heaven - Valiant knight

Ridley Scott’s new blockbuster, Kingdom of Heaven, could hardly be more topical. It shows Muslims resisting Christian invaders, battles raging in wind-whipped deserts, ancient cities under siege and civilians cowering.

Ok, so all this screen mayhem is meant to be happening more than eight centuries ago, but doesn’t it sound like recent news from Iraq?

Well, the movie is not meant to show that Christians and Muslims have been at one another’s throats for centuries. Rather, by dwelling on the extended, turbulent holy war known as the Crusades, Ridley said he hoped to demonstrate that Christians, Muslims and Jews could live together in harmony — if only fanaticism were kept at bay.

To that end, for all the furious battle scenes in Kingdom of Heaven, Scott and screenwriter, William Monahan, have tried to be balanced. Muslims are portrayed as bent on coexistence until Christian extremists ruin everything. And even when the Christians are defeated, the Muslims give them safe passage to Europe.

“It’s actually about doing the right thing,” said Scott, 67, whose screen combat experience includes directing 1492: Conquest of Paradise, Black Hawk Down and Gladiator. “I know that sounds incredibly simplistic. It’s about temptation and avoiding temptation. It’s about ethics. It’s about going to war over passion and idealism. Idealism is great if it’s balanced and humanitarian.”

If so, the Crusaders got a few things wrong. From 638 AD, when Muslims first occupied Jerusalem, both Christians and Jews were permitted to visit their holy sites. Then, in 1095, responding to an appeal from the Byzantine Christian Church in Constantinople, Pope Urban II organised the First Crusade to liberate Jerusalem. Four years later, those crusaders seized the city, massacring almost all its inhabitants in a bloodbath invoked to this day.

Seven more crusades were waged, bringing European monarchs, lords, knights and their armies of devout followers to fight — and settle — in an area stretching between what is today Syria and Egypt. The Muslims responded with their own sporadic jihads until finally, by 1291, the Christians had been driven out.

It’s hard not to wonder, is this really a good time to show warring Christians and Muslims as entertainment?

“I think it’s the perfect time for the movie, because it doesn’t paint one side or other as being the goodies or the baddies,” insisted Jeremy Irons, one of several actors who appear as crusaders. “It just shows human nature getting in the way of possible peaceful coexistence. I don’t think it will anger either side. I think it will make both sides think.”

Of course, the backers of Kingdom of Heaven, 20th Century Fox, are hardly in the business of offering $140-million lessons in history and morality. The film focuses on a particularly dramatic moment between the Second and Third Crusades, when the Muslims retook Jerusalem. This real history is wrapped in a fictional love story and presented as a rich spectacle of costumes, horses, swords and endless desert.

The facts are that during a period of relative peace, Baldwin IV, the young king of Jerusalem, again opened the city to all faiths. But after his death in 1185, militant Knights Templar began attacking Muslim desert convoys. In response, the legendary Muslim warrior Saladin, leading an army of 200,000, laid siege to Jerusalem. Balian of Ibelin, the Christian knight who surrendered the city on October 2, 1187, is the movie’s hero.

Little is known about the real Balian. Played by British actor Orlando Bloom, Balian is handsome, loyal, brave and the perfect match for King Baldwin’s stunning sister, Sybilla, played by French actor Eva Green (The Dreamers). Their clandestine love blossoms, but everything else soon falls apart. In the final confrontation with Saladin, played by veteran Syrian actor Ghassan Massoud, Balian gives up, as huge boulders and balls of fire batter the walls of Jerusalem.

“He ultimately surrenders Jerusalem to Saladin to save the lives of the people,” said Bloom, 28. “The conduct of the knight is: be brave that God may help thee; speak the truth even if it leads to your death; and safeguard the helpless. That is the oath, and he follows it to the bitter end.”

Still, there is a political message, one that Green, 24, interpreted with characteristic French directness. “It’s a movie with substance. It’s very clever and brave, and I hope it will wake up people in America.” To what? “To be more tolerant, more open towards the Arab people,” she said.

Well, it wasn’t exactly what Scott had in mind, but why not?


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1 posted on 04/26/2005 4:14:02 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/01/18/wcrus18.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/01/18/ixworld.html


Ridley Scott's new Crusades film 'panders to Osama bin Laden'
By Charlotte Edwardes
(Filed: 18/01/2004)

Sir Ridley Scott, the Oscar-nominated director, was savaged by senior British academics last night over his forthcoming film which they say "distorts" the history of the Crusades to portray Arabs in a favourable light.

The £75 million film, which stars Orlando Bloom, Jeremy Irons and Liam Neeson, is described by the makers as being "historically accurate" and designed to be "a fascinating history lesson".


Sir Ridley Scott
Academics, however - including Professor Jonathan Riley-Smith, Britain's leading authority on the Crusades - attacked the plot of Kingdom of Heaven, describing it as "rubbish", "ridiculous", "complete fiction" and "dangerous to Arab relations".

The film, which began shooting last week in Spain, is set in the time of King Baldwin IV (1161-1185), leading up to the Battle of Hattin in 1187 when Saladin conquered Jerusalem for the Muslims.

The script depicts Baldwin's brother-in-law, Guy de Lusignan, who succeeds him as King of Jerusalem, as "the arch-villain". A further group, "the Brotherhood of Muslims, Jews and Christians", is introduced, promoting an image of cross-faith kinship.

"They were working together," the film's spokesman said. "It was a strong bond until the Knights Templar cause friction between them."

The Knights Templar, the warrior monks, are portrayed as "the baddies" while Saladin, the Muslim leader, is a "a hero of the piece", Sir Ridley's spokesman said. "At the end of our picture, our heroes defend the Muslims, which was historically correct."

Prof Riley-Smith, who is Dixie Professor of Ecclesiastical History at Cambridge University, said the plot was "complete and utter nonsense". He said that it relied on the romanticised view of the Crusades propagated by Sir Walter Scott in his book The Talisman, published in 1825 and now discredited by academics.

"It sounds absolute balls. It's rubbish. It's not historically accurate at all. They refer to The Talisman, which depicts the Muslims as sophisticated and civilised, and the Crusaders are all brutes and barbarians. It has nothing to do with reality."

Prof Riley-Smith added: "Guy of Lusignan lost the Battle of Hattin against Saladin, yes, but he wasn't any badder or better than anyone else. There was never a confraternity of Muslims, Jews and Christians. That is utter nonsense."

Dr Jonathan Philips, a lecturer in history at London University and author of The Fourth Crusade and the Sack of Constantinople, agreed that the film relied on an outdated portrayal of the Crusades and could not be described as "a history lesson".

He said: "The Templars as 'baddies' is only sustainable from the Muslim perspective, and 'baddies' is the wrong way to show it anyway. They are the biggest threat to the Muslims and many end up being killed because their sworn vocation is to defend the Holy Land."

Dr Philips said that by venerating Saladin, who was largely ignored by Arab history until he was reinvented by romantic historians in the 19th century, Sir Ridley was following both Saddam Hussein and Hafez Assad, the former Syrian dictator. Both leaders commissioned huge portraits and statues of Saladin, who was actually a Kurd, to bolster Arab Muslim pride.

Prof Riley-Smith added that Sir Ridley's efforts were misguided and pandered to Islamic fundamentalism. "It's Osama bin Laden's version of history. It will fuel the Islamic fundamentalists."

Amin Maalouf, the French historian and author of The Crusades Through Arab Eyes, said: "It does not do any good to distort history, even if you believe you are distorting it in a good way. Cruelty was not on one side but on all."

Sir Ridley's spokesman said that the film portrays the Arabs in a positive light. "It's trying to be fair and we hope that the Muslim world sees the rectification of history."

The production team is using Loarre Castle in northern Spain and have built a replica of Jerusalem in Ouarzazate, in the Moroccan desert. Sir Ridley, 65, who was knighted in July last year, grew up in South Shields and rose to fame as director of Alien, starring Sigourney Weaver.

He followed with classics such as Blade Runner, Thelma and Louise, which won him an Oscar nomination in 1992, and in 2002 Black Hawk Down, told the story of the US military's disastrous raid on Mogadishu. In 2001 his film Gladiator won five Oscars, but Sir Ridley lost out to Steven Soderbergh for Best Director.


2 posted on 04/26/2005 4:17:12 PM PDT by Pikamax
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Figures. A movie time period I would love to see and it has to be some liberal tripe.

What I wouldn't give to see Mel Gibson make "Angels In Iron" into a film. *Sigh*

3 posted on 04/26/2005 4:19:47 PM PDT by Romish_Papist (The times are out of step with the Catholic Church. God Bless Pope Benedict XVI!!!!)
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To: Pikamax
“To be more tolerant, more open towards the Arab people,” she said.

We *tolerate* all fair-minded and freedom-loving Arabs. It's the barbarians among the Arab cultures we don't tolerate.

4 posted on 04/26/2005 4:22:21 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: Kenny Bunkport

The only thing wrong with the Crusades is that we never finished the job.


5 posted on 04/26/2005 4:35:40 PM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Emmett McCarthy

Yep. Lack of will.


6 posted on 04/26/2005 4:37:00 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: TattooedUSAFConservative

It seems as if the movie is missing a major part, that being the Naval Battle of Lepanto. If the Christians had not prevailed, Christianity in Europe would have been essentially wiped out. In that one-day battle, October 7, 1571, more than 35,000 men died off the shores of Greece and of those, more than 30,000 were Muslims.


7 posted on 04/26/2005 4:48:29 PM PDT by Seniram US (Quote of the Day: Smile You're An American)
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To: Pikamax

"be brave that God may help thee; speak the truth even if it leads to your death"

So, the gave up Jerusalem, and what? You should, too, America? In what universe, jerkoff? Tolerance = surrender?

OK. I understand.

I'll pass.


8 posted on 04/26/2005 4:52:10 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: Seniram US

No one teaches Lepanto. It is crucial to understanding who rules the seas.


9 posted on 04/26/2005 4:55:17 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: Emmett McCarthy

It figures.

What are the odds that Hollywood, in a movie about the Crusades, would even hint at the cruelty of the Muslims and the bravery of Christian knights? I'd say slim to none.

How about a movie on the Battle of Lepanto? Not a chance, unless Hollywood can figure out a way to portray the Turks as heroes and the Holy League as villians.


10 posted on 04/26/2005 5:00:14 PM PDT by guinnessman
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It’s just so weird how the left sides with Muslims. If the Muslims had won and had taken over Europe how would it be now? Freedom would not even be a word, let alone a concept for anyone, least of all women. Would we have movies? Not with Islam’s prohibitions against the depiction of anything or person.


11 posted on 04/26/2005 5:08:04 PM PDT by antonia ("Democracy is the worst type of government, excepting all others." ~ Churchill)
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To: combat_boots
Could be because the rosary played such a significant part in the victory and the pope at the Vatican became aware of the victory before the fight off Greece was over.
12 posted on 04/26/2005 5:08:47 PM PDT by Seniram US (Quote of the Day: Smile You're An American)
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To: Seniram US

You beat me to it!

You're right, Lepanto is one of those turning points of European history. The Ottoman Empire never recovered from it.

Unfortunately, it's too politically incorrect to be portrayed in Hollywood, or even mentioned in high school history books. How can you tell the story of Christian sailors, kneeling on the decks of their galleys on the morning of battle, saying the rosary? How can you show Christian slaves, forced to be oarsmen of the Turkish galleys, rising up against their Muslim masters and turning the tide in favor of the Venetian navy at a critical moment in the battle?

Just think of the interest groups who would be up in arms!


13 posted on 04/26/2005 5:15:42 PM PDT by guinnessman
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To: guinnessman
Politically correctness doesn't phase me, so events like the Battle of Lepanto and other similar true stories are always included in my work. It's necessary to offset the massive errors of omission in elitist history (or lack thereof) books.
14 posted on 04/26/2005 5:20:49 PM PDT by Seniram US (Quote of the Day: Smile You're An American)
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To: Pikamax
I think I'll hold my fire until I've actually seen the movie. Ridley Scott makes good movies; I'll certainly give this one a chance.
15 posted on 04/26/2005 5:20:57 PM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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Interesting how they just touched on the "Muslim occupation" of Jerusalem in 628AD. Doesn't say WHY or HOW the Muslims got there.
"Fascinating history lesson" with some very important details left out.
16 posted on 04/26/2005 5:30:01 PM PDT by Pipeline (The lessons can be harsh. All are repeated until learned.)
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Still, there is a political message, one that Green, 24, interpreted with characteristic French directness. “It’s a movie with substance. It’s very clever and brave, and I hope it will wake up people in America.” To what? “To be more tolerant, more open towards the Arab people,” she said.

She no doubt has and will have increasing opportunity to practice that in her native France.

17 posted on 04/26/2005 5:41:29 PM PDT by xp38
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To: TattooedUSAFConservative

I have that book on my "To Buy" list. Did you enjoy it? Was it well-written?


18 posted on 04/27/2005 6:46:26 AM PDT by Eepsy
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Let me put it this way: If it was made into a movie, and stayed faithful to the book, I would crap bolts of joyous lightning. In other words, bump that book to the top of your "To Buy" list. An excellent book, in every sense. Sadly, there aren't many in that vein which is saddening for me as I love the timeperiod. The hard part is finding ANYTHING that isn't biased against Christians (other than history books, that is). I would love for more books in that vein to be published.


19 posted on 04/27/2005 10:18:14 AM PDT by Romish_Papist (The times are out of step with the Catholic Church. God Bless Pope Benedict XVI!!!!)
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To: Seniram US
There is too much of a time lapse between the medieval period of the movie and the battle of Lepanto. It would be nice to see a movie about it, but it does not belong on a move that takes place hundreds of years earlier.

Also, just because some airhead actors hope the movie will "make America think" does not mean that subtext is in the movie. Movie stars always like to kid themselves into thinking they are doing something more important than merely making an acion movie, much like the beauty contestants who "work for world peace".

20 posted on 04/29/2005 1:21:48 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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