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'Fix' in pledge raises concern--- Jeffco school's counselor alters phrase 'under God
Rocky Mountain News ^ | 4-22-2005 | Jennifer Miller

Posted on 04/22/2005 12:05:50 PM PDT by kingattax

JEFFERSON COUNTY - Seventh-grader Bailey Pierce, hand pressed against her heart, was reciting the Pledge of Allegiance when the voice over the intercom said something that stopped her cold.

"One nation, under 'your belief system.' "

Bailey said that guidance counselor Margo Lucero substituted the phrase for "under God" while leading the morning pledge at Everitt Middle School on Wednesday.

Bailey said the incident shocked her and her classmates, many of whom stopped in mid-sentence and exchanged bewildered looks.

Principal Kathleen Norton was out of the building during the incident, but apologized Thursday to the student body and today will be sending letters of apology to parents.

"It was completely inappropriate," Jefferson County School District Superintendent Cindy Stevenson said. "We completely believe any teacher or student has the right to follow their individual conscience, however, when leading children, you adhere to the Pledge of Allegiance."

Lucero said she didn't intend to be offensive but rather wanted to mark the sixth anniversary of the Columbine High School slayings by evoking a sense of tolerance.

"Given the anniversary of Columbine, it was a spur-of-the- moment choice that I made, intended to acknowledge differences that lie in our society," Lucero said. "It's not a reflection of the district, and it was not my intention to offend anyone, rather to include (everyone)."

Stevenson would not discuss whether Lucero faces any discipline but said Norton was working with the counselor.

Some parents, including Christina Pulciani-Johnson, say Lucero should be disciplined.

"I think she should be reprimanded," said Pulciani- Johnson, who has a son in the seventh grade at Ever-itt.

Pulciano-Johnson said she spoke with Lucero, and the counselor told her that she believed in separation of church and school.

Still, "she had no right to change (the pledge)," Pulciani- Johnson said.

Stevenson said that Jefferson County schools follow state guidelines that give children the choice of saying the pledge. Most district schools broadcast the pledge over their intercom system along with announcements at the beginning of the day, she said.

At Everitt, the principal normally leads the pledge. If she's unavailable the secretary does it, and occasionally, students perform the duty.

"It was unusual," Stevenson said of what happened. "The counselor just said, 'I can do it,' and she did it."

Students were questioning whether what the counselor did was right.

"It kind of changed some kids' day," Bailey said.

"Some of them believe in God and thought it was wrong for her to change it."

Bailey's mother, Shelley, said, "The school intercom system is not the correct means for voicing one's personal political opinions."

The district agrees.

"If you have a problem with the pledge, that's your issue," Stevenson said. "Adults should not try to influence children with their personal conscience."

millerj@RockyMountainNews.com or 303-892-5425


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: pledgeofallegiance
"One nation, under 'your belief system.'

Unreal

1 posted on 04/22/2005 12:05:50 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax
it was a spur-of-the- moment choice that I made

No, it wasn't. This was carefully planned.

She thinks we're so stupid that we'd believe that this sort of slipped out at the last moment.

2 posted on 04/22/2005 12:08:45 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: kingattax

How the pledge would read if our liberal school system ran the entire country:

One world because nationalism is bad,
under your own belief system,
easily divisible since we share no common beliefs,
with no true liberty or justice for anyone.


3 posted on 04/22/2005 12:13:30 PM PDT by Advil
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To: kingattax
Added CO to the TOPICS list for our FRiends who monitor Colorado news in the sidebar.

Instead of just scrolling past them all, please take a moment to click the applicable state on the Topics screen when posting news of local interest.

4 posted on 04/22/2005 12:13:41 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: kingattax
"since Columbine..."

ah, yes, the Jeffco excuse for everything.
5 posted on 04/22/2005 12:14:36 PM PDT by frankenMonkey
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To: kingattax
Bailey said that guidance counselor Margo Lucero substituted the phrase for "under God" while leading the morning pledge at Everitt Middle School on Wednesday

These are the types of folks providing "guidance" to your kids in the Public Schools....

6 posted on 04/22/2005 12:15:39 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Dog Gone

She thinks we're so stupid that we'd believe that this sort of slipped out at the last moment.
=======

Must have been a "language" thingy... y'know... kinda sorta

like Arnold 's Close v. Maintain The Border double speak !!! ;-))


7 posted on 04/22/2005 12:18:24 PM PDT by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!! -- Impeach Greer !!!.)
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To: GeekDejure
I think Arnold misspoke. Closing the border is a bad thing. "Securing" the border is the proper objective.

There is legitimate traffic in both directions that we would like to continue.

8 posted on 04/22/2005 12:23:31 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: kingattax

I want it changed to "one nation, of 50 sovereign states". Gets rid of the religion issue, and also corrects the very intentional socialist one-government-for-all slant of this pledge. Just imagine, public school kids all across the land getting it into their heads that states are sovereign entities. No wonder the leftists prefer to keep the right focused on the "under God" squabble.


9 posted on 04/22/2005 12:36:43 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: kingattax

These people are hilarious. I think they have no idea just how silly they are, you can't even satirize them, when they are such a self-parody.


10 posted on 04/22/2005 12:39:30 PM PDT by marron
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To: GovernmentShrinker
I want it changed to "one nation, of 50 sovereign states".

Hah. Good one. Surely you realize you're about 100 years too late with that "sovereign states" stuff.

11 posted on 04/22/2005 12:43:50 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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"Adults should not try to influence children with their personal conscience."

WTF? Earth and parents, teachers, priests and ministers to Lucero: Go home. Go. Go wherever. Just go. Away. Anywhere. Not here. Not on my watch.


12 posted on 04/22/2005 12:58:27 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: Dog Gone

principals email is knorton@jeffco.k12.co.us, Lucero ph # 303- 982 -1531


13 posted on 04/22/2005 12:59:50 PM PDT by slickdain
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To: GovernmentShrinker

I was just thinking about that, too. Very John Lennonish if you take this thing far enough. Everyone will end up naked in beds with white sheets, proclaiming peace while using obtuse words.


14 posted on 04/22/2005 1:00:10 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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whenever I hear the word tolerance I shudder. It just means discrimination in a pretty package. (Usually discrimination against Christians)


15 posted on 04/22/2005 1:17:18 PM PDT by Aleighanne
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To: GovernmentShrinker

When I used to say the Pledge as a youngster(before I realized its origins and that it's something I doubt the Framers themselves would support) I would drop the word indivisible.


16 posted on 04/22/2005 1:21:22 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: combat_boots
Please do not tell that moonbat Lucero to "go" anywhere. The way my week has been going she might wind up teaching my kids!!! If that happens, I'm blaming you for doing it.
17 posted on 04/22/2005 1:28:00 PM PDT by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: kingattax
If you have a problem with the pledge, that's your issue," Stevenson said. "Adults should not try to influence children with their personal conscience.

I'm sorry, but the pledge is being said in school precisly to influence the child's belief system. We want citizens to grow up and love and appreciate the country that nourish's them.

I believe its time we re-implemented the teacher's oath to these school officials. And BTW, sometimes these ideas come back when the kids really need it and they remember that there are some things they should have alligence to.

The Scout Oath is in this category as well, and when explained, the term G-d in the Scout Oath is allowed to be defined by the scout as part of his belief system. But he still says the word in the oath.

18 posted on 04/22/2005 1:29:50 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: All
guidance counselor

Would there ever be a doubt the profession of someone who would do this?
19 posted on 04/22/2005 1:32:12 PM PDT by kx9088
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To: Advil

More on the lib pledge:

"I pledge tolerace to the multiplicity of subcultures,
One world because of multiculuralistic patchwork,
under my own belief system,
divisible according to the diversity of all common beliefs,
with no true liberty or justice for anyone."

Now we need a good set of Buzzword Bingo!

AlGORE Buzzword Bingo: http://hacks.mit.edu/Hacks/by_year/1996/gore/

And, the granddaddy of them all: Business Buzzword Bingo
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20 posted on 04/22/2005 1:42:20 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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