BREAKING: Charges Dropped Against Army Reservist Accused Of Holding Group of Illegals At Gunpoint

KFYI - 550AM - Phoenix, AZ via PHXNews | 21 April 2005 | KFYI Hound

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KFYI is Reporting:

CHARGES HAVE BEEN DROPPED against Army reservist Patrick Haab who was accused of holding a group of illegals at gunpoint.

[azhenfud]

But, but, but the race card ALWAYS surfaces when open borders advocates challenge the LAW and lose....

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OK. Here's the bad news, friends. I fully expect leftist Democrat Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard to say that he's got enough evidence to charge Haab with a crime and that he "interprets" state law differently. Goddard has been hostile to anyone who has a problem with the horde of criminal invaders covering Arizona and his "interpretation" of Prop. 200 virtually gutted it when it was actually implemented. So, if my gut is right on this one, a victory celebration might be premature. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Grut]

This Court's decisions expressly according differing protection to aliens than to citizens also undermine respondent's claim that treating aliens differently under the Fourth Amendment violates the equal protection component of the Fifth Amendment.

Interesting, and I don't see how it can be squared with the plain sense of 18 USC 241. It may be that this decision is another example of judge-made law. But even absent any formal declaration of aliens' rights, it strains credulity to suppose that rights come from God but that His attention stops with Americans.

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But, but, but the race card ALWAYS surfaces when open borders advocates challenge the LAW and lose....

Every time one of the FROBLs implies that I'm a racist, I just remember the border security rally in Tucson where a bunch of masked thugs showed up, chanted "Viva la Raza!" and then called me a racist. I also remember the pierced freak, also masked, who was wearing a large swastika on her clothing who also called me a racist. These are the kind of people we're dealing with here. I'm surprised they know how to operate a computer, let alone post their put-America-last pro-invasion delusions on a conservative forum.

[chris1]

And A$%^&^&*& GWB says we are vigilantes for wanting this mess ended.

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Interesting, and I don't see how it can be squared with the plain sense of 18 USC 241. It may be that this decision is another example of judge-made law. But even absent any formal declaration of aliens' rights, it strains credulity to suppose that rights come from God but that His attention stops with Americans.

Your rights come from God. As Americans those rights are supposed to be protected by the U.S. Constitution. That protection should not apply to foreign nationals as the Constitution is an agreement between the several states and the limited Federal Government they formed under it. Foreign nations were not a party to the Constitution and therefore their citizens are not thus protected. Treaties allowing safe passage, etc. could be enacted.

[azhenfud]

IF he (Goddard) did, IF it were me charged AGAIN, I'd sue Goddard for "double-jeopardy" infringement.

[azhenfud]

"Foreign nations were not a party to the Constitution..."

Plain and simple - "We, the people of the United States..."

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Plain and simple - "We, the people of the United States..."

Oh yeah!? But what does Scottish Law, the UN Declaration of Human Rights, and international "consensus" say about it? That's what's more important. < /sarcasm >

[azhenfud]

Yeah, their attitude is "possession is 90% of the law". Illegals come here to possess.

[in the Arena]

BTTT...

[FastCoyote]

"I ate in a Panda's chinese restaurant today, every one of the help were illegal Mexicans."

"And how did you determine that?"

You want to be blind? That's your problem.

They were hispanic, low paid help, most only spoke spanish, and only a year ago the whole staff had been oriental. Are you telling me the immigation quota for Mexicans is millions per year? Give me a break. I could round up a thousand illegals in a day here in Vegas. If it were a trickle, I wouldn't have a problem, but it is a Tsunami.

And don't give me the racist crapola. I helped start one of the Spanish Television stations here in Las Vegas, I took the time to learn spanish, and after high school I even went to Honduras to help with a medical aid program.

But I don't care to see the country overrun by an uneducated horde who misuse welfare, populate our jails, break inumerable laws and act like locust. I don't care if that horde is from Mexico, or China, or Russia, or Eastern Eurpe or wherever, it is cultural suicide.

[blackie]

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!

[daybreakcoming]

Arpaio must have felt like he had been upstaged. LOL

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Amazing how a soldier could get in trouble for holding rogue, foreign invaders with no citizen rights at gunpoint. When does he get a medal? FReegards....

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

"Yeah he did. They were criminals. Why can't you understand that?"

I didn't follow this closely. Someone told me they were looting campers. Is that true?

They don't even have any citizen rights, for goodness sake.

[lawdude]

"If true, this is great. It was stupid in the first place and the State of AZ owes him an apology."

Wrong...no apology. What he did is wrong and ARGUABLY against the law. He was let go strictly because the public sentiment was ignorant of the strict letter of citizens arrest statutes and the CA didn't want to come off bad.

If he is dumb enough to sue, they will hand him his ass on a brass plate. Were I the CA, I would have done the same thing. I would bet David Cantor, his atty is advising against any more public comment. Will be interesting to see if there is any more to follow.

[HiJinx]

I didn't follow this closely. Someone told me they were looting campers. Is that true?

I haven't followed the Habb case that closely, but the incident you're referring to is probably the one in Yuma that got the Yuma Patrol started.

Habb arrested 7+ illegals at a rest stop on I-8 in Maricopa County, nowhere near Yuma, and I don't think anyone was camping there.

[DLfromthedesert]

That would be a frivolous suit since what he did was in self defense as dtermined by the DA not to prosecute.

Any attorney who would take a case of illegals against a soldier serving his country should be disbarred and deported.

[DustyMoment]

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What he did is wrong and ARGUABLY against the law. He was let go strictly because the public sentiment was ignorant of the strict letter of citizens arrest statutes and the CA didn't want to come off bad.

Ok, what law did he break? He was minding his own business when he was charged by the group of illegals. He drew his weapon to protect himself (as he is entitled to do under the Constitution) and, suspecting that they were illegal aliens, he held them under citizens arrest until the Border Patrol arrived and he turned them over to the Border Patrol. There is nothing in that entire episode that is against any law.

In AZ, open carry is legal and his weapon is legally registered. No violation of law. He protected himself against what he felt was a threatening gesture made by the group who charged at him out of the dark while he was at a public rest area. The Constitution guarantees him the right to self-defense.

If any law was broken, IMO, it was the BP agents who asked the ILLEGAL ALIENS if they wanted to press assault charges against the AMERICAN CITIZEN who stopped their ILLEGAL INCURSION into the United States.

Finally, public sentiment doesn't carry a lot of weight in legal matters. If that were true, Michael Jackson wouldn't be on trial, the Smith guy who spit on Jane Fonda wouldn't be facing disorderly conduct, and Bubba Clinton would never have been impeached.