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Fixing immigration fairly
The Boston Globe ^ | April 12, 2005 | Ali Noorani

Posted on 04/12/2005 4:05:42 AM PDT by Boston Blackie

Invoking symbols ranging from the Revolutionary War to Martin Luther King Jr., armed vigilantes are patrolling a segment of the Arizona-Mexico border and taking the enforcement of immigration law into their own hands. While they claim only to offer support to the Border Patrol, the Mexican government is on edge, human rights activists have flooded the area, and President Bush has distanced himself from the effort.

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To: Boston Blackie

More reform that consists of essentially scrapping immigration controls. Guest worker programs have a bad history throughout history. The Germans were "guest workers (and soldiers)" in the Roman Empire right up to the time they sacked the place. Guest workers is a fraud since most of them will not leave and the government and people who support such programs have no intention of making them leave. Guest workers is a con phrase designed to cover support for open borders. After all, the govt. doesn't enforce the democratically passed laws on the books now, turns a blind eye to illegals, do you think they're going to get tough when the guest workers refuse to leave? Not to mention the lawsuits.


81 posted on 04/12/2005 10:51:35 AM PDT by jordan8
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To: Ben Ficklin

Whatever floats your boat. But before you go renaming FR, you may wanna bring the issue up with Jim. He is after all the owner.


82 posted on 04/12/2005 10:53:07 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Sooner or later, you have to stand your ground. Whether anyone else does or not. - Michael Badnarik)
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To: Ben Ficklin
I think you can find it.

I sure don't see one with the "approval" rating you claim.

83 posted on 04/12/2005 10:54:59 AM PDT by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: Dead Corpse
If it was restricted to only skilled migrants, folks like my grandparents never would have made it here.

But times have changed. It once was very expensive for people to come here but it is a lot easier these days.

Immigration is no longer a benefit and it is becoming a menace. We are being turned into a police state because of the narcotics sold by criminal immigrant gangs, terrorist attacks, and just plain psychotic criminals who arrive here.

We have to adapt to survive.

84 posted on 04/12/2005 10:55:13 AM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: txdoda

Its in black and white.


85 posted on 04/12/2005 10:56:12 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Boston Blackie
Er, Ali, we need not consider the "needs" of immigrants when enacting long overdue immigration law reform.

The only "needs" that matter are those of the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

86 posted on 04/12/2005 10:56:47 AM PDT by skeeter ("What's to talk about? It's illegal." S Bono)
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To: Dan Evans
But times have changed.

I keep hearing that. Human nature hasn't changed however. Getting a cap on the illegals, and those migrants running a scam or engaged in other crime, would end a lot of our immigration worries.

87 posted on 04/12/2005 10:59:35 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Sooner or later, you have to stand your ground. Whether anyone else does or not. - Michael Badnarik)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Its in black and white.

Then I'll ask for the second time.......post the link to your claim.

88 posted on 04/12/2005 10:59:37 AM PDT by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: Ben Ficklin
You are the wacko fringe.

The only Wacko Fringe in this debate are those that advocate open borders and unlimited immigration. Something that the vast majority of Americans soundly reject.

With illegal immigration and border control becoming hot button issues within the republican party (and don't tell me it's not) the CAL (Criminal Alien Lobby) has a rude awakening in store for it.

If the Open Borders RINO leadership of the Party can't find the right side of this issue, watch for some changes in 06. The current low approval ratings of both Bush and Congress show just how vulnerable the party is if it doesn't starting responding to the Will of the People instead of the Will of the Lobbyists soon.

89 posted on 04/12/2005 11:01:35 AM PDT by WRhine (Is anything Treasonous these days?)
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To: Dead Corpse
Lock the border. Screen out the violent criminals. Let those peaceful people who really want to come here and live do so.

If I thought we could trust our government to do that, I would agree. But we can't.

Immigration authorities are being corrupted. Not just in the US but in Europe. The policies and the agencies responsible are being influenced and overtaken by foreigners,

It is not a new phenomenon. About twenty years ago several congressmen were arrested by the FBI and photographed taking cash bribes from agents posing as Arabs who asked for immigration favors.

Today Europe suffers from an infestation of Muslims who threaten to destroy their civilization.

Times have changed and we need to adapt.

90 posted on 04/12/2005 11:04:52 AM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans
Today Europe suffers from an infestation of Muslims who threaten to destroy their civilization

Huh when did Latin America become islamic?

91 posted on 04/12/2005 11:07:32 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dead Corpse
Getting a cap on the illegals, and those migrants running a scam or engaged in other crime, would end a lot of our immigration worries.

Agreed, we need to do a lot of things. But we need to watch our butts. In other words, keep a close eye on Washington. Not all of them are looking out for our best interests. Many of them are for sale to the highest bidder.

For example, after Clinton pardoned a Puerto Rican terrorist, Puerto Rican activists delivered up a lot of votes to help her get elected.

92 posted on 04/12/2005 11:10:22 AM PDT by Dan Evans
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I think the world changed when the Soviet Union collapsed. I believe a lot of people are now using immigration as a weapon.

That seems to be the case.

Castro was the first to do this when he emptied his prisons and sent his hard-core criminals to the US. Now others have picked up on the idea.

Most notably Mexico which took a cue from Castro upon observing the weakness of our so-called leaders who allowed this invasion of criminals to happen and didn't do anything about it.

Mexico has just taken this to new heights in their Undeclared War against the U.S. under the cover of Political Correctness.

93 posted on 04/12/2005 11:15:34 AM PDT by WRhine (Is anything Treasonous these days?)
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To: Dan Evans

Adapt, yes. Become a locked down police State, No. Also, we have gotten the government we deserve. This is what comes from allowing our GOP to run to the center and for allowing liberals to not be prosecuted for the traitors they are.


94 posted on 04/12/2005 11:16:33 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Sooner or later, you have to stand your ground. Whether anyone else does or not. - Michael Badnarik)
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To: Dan Evans
For example, after Clinton pardoned a Puerto Rican terrorist, Puerto Rican activists delivered up a lot of votes to help her get elected

Wait a minute, many on FR are praising hillary for her so-called stand(a few throaway words in reality) on illegal immigration.

Oh BTW, you do know that Puerto Rico has elected a pro-life Republican as their delegate to Congress.

Profile: Sel. Luis Fortuno, R-Puerto Rico

95 posted on 04/12/2005 11:17:41 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane
Latin America suffers from a culture of crime. Drug lords and kidnapping prevail.

That culture is spilling over into the US. Because transportation is now relatively cheap, these people can afford to re-enter the US even after they get deported multiple times.

If we allow our country to be infested with a third world population, we will soon be plagued with third world politicians.
96 posted on 04/12/2005 11:17:51 AM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: txdoda
Here ya go
97 posted on 04/12/2005 11:17:52 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Dan Evans
If we allow our country to be infested with a third world population, we will soon be plagued with third world politicians.

See reply #95.

98 posted on 04/12/2005 11:20:19 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: WRhine
According to the FR poll, there are no freepers that support open borders and unlimited immigration.

Based on my own experience, there are a very few wild-eyed libertarians that support that. They have their own website and don't come to FR anymore.

99 posted on 04/12/2005 11:24:37 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Dane

We should judge people by what they do, not what they say. That goes especially for the Clintons.

Puerto Rico has some good people and they have some bad people. We should encourage the good ones, not give pardons to terrorists.


100 posted on 04/12/2005 11:24:42 AM PDT by Dan Evans
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