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To: Ben Ficklin
You are the wacko fringe.

The only Wacko Fringe in this debate are those that advocate open borders and unlimited immigration. Something that the vast majority of Americans soundly reject.

With illegal immigration and border control becoming hot button issues within the republican party (and don't tell me it's not) the CAL (Criminal Alien Lobby) has a rude awakening in store for it.

If the Open Borders RINO leadership of the Party can't find the right side of this issue, watch for some changes in 06. The current low approval ratings of both Bush and Congress show just how vulnerable the party is if it doesn't starting responding to the Will of the People instead of the Will of the Lobbyists soon.

89 posted on 04/12/2005 11:01:35 AM PDT by WRhine (Is anything Treasonous these days?)
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To: WRhine
According to the FR poll, there are no freepers that support open borders and unlimited immigration.

Based on my own experience, there are a very few wild-eyed libertarians that support that. They have their own website and don't come to FR anymore.

99 posted on 04/12/2005 11:24:37 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: WRhine
WRhine writes: The only Wacko Fringe in this debate are those that advocate open borders and unlimited immigration

Hmmm... that sounds too much like the [majority of] membership of _both_ major political parties here in the United States, and - or so it would seem by his actions, moreso than his words - no one less than our current president.

Recall the old saying from the Nixon White House in bygone years: "don't listen to what we say, watch what we DO."

Neither the President nor either political party seems intent doing ANYthing to deal with the immigration bomb, to stop it, or even to slow it down.

Remember the old song by Peggy Lee:
Is that all there is?
Is that all there is?
Well, if that's all there is,
Let's break out the booze and have a ball
If that's all...

I've come to the conclusion that there is almost nothing left that _can_ be done to save ourselves from the Immigration Bomb. Time is running out. We are fast approaching the point of "is that all there is?", and, as it will follow, the reality of "if that's all"...

Any talk of actually sending back the millions already here is met with guffaws. Who's going to send back 10 million? Yet each new arrival is (to paraphrase James Q. Wilson) "one more broken window" in our notion of borders, citizenship, and European-American culture. And each and every new arrival sends a signal to the millions more waiting to come in, that they can get away with it, so, go for it!

For the record, I'm for sending every illegal that can be identified and proven as such _back_. Every one. If that means I have to pay more taxes to get rid of them, so be it. I (and you) are certainly going to be paying far more to support them.

Any talk of building a security barrier to protect our Southern Border from the illegal onslaught is, too, met with guffaws. No one here doubts the effectiveness of the Israeli security fence as to protecting their own borders, in their case, against the infiltration of Palestinian terrorists. If a security fence around [nearly] the entire country of Israel can protect them against intrusion, why wouldn't a security barrier on our southern border protect _us_?

For the record, I advocated building a wall from the Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico back in the early 90's, before Pat Buchanan was even considering such notions. I've been to the Berlin wall (when it was in existence), seen it from _both_ sides, passed through Checkpoint Charlie. For what purpose it was intended, the Berlin Wall worked.

The lie that the border cannot be sealed and properly policed is currently being laid to rest by the few hundred "Minutemen" patrolling in Arizona - for even in their small numbers, they seem to be having a surprising effect!

But real deportations en masse aren't going to happen (I know that). And a security barrier isn't going to be built (I know that too). So what's left to be done?

Well, when you stop to think about it.... nothing. Because, nothing else is going to work at keeping the hordes of illegals out. We won't stop them from coming in, and once here, we won't send them back.

Thus, "is that all there is?"

So, better get used to it. Since we are unwilling to take the hard steps to STOP the illegal invasion, might as well fill you glass with whatever you like, hoist it high, and drink a hearty toast our fading civilization.

Because as the song says, "that's all"....

Cheers!
- John

260 posted on 04/12/2005 4:52:12 PM PDT by Fishrrman
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