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Why VERY INTELLIGENT Men Fail With Women
bullz-eye.com ^ | 04/07/05 | by: David DeAngelo, Author of "Double Your Dating"

Posted on 04/10/2005 3:32:35 PM PDT by paltz

The Ten Reasons Why HIGHLY INTELLIGENT Men Fail With Women... AND WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT...

I've been teaching men how to become more successful with women and dating for a several years now... and one "problem scenario" just keeps coming up OVER AND OVER... and OVER and OVER and OVER again...

...and it really amazes me.


I'm going to refer to it as "The Genius Failure Paradox".

"The Genius Failure Paradox" is the tendency for UNUSUALLY intelligent men to have very LOW levels of success with women and dating.

After contemplating this particular paradox, discussing it, and working on it for an awesome amount of time, I'd like to share my thoughts about it with you.

I assume that if you've read this far, then you see probably yourself as smarter than the average guy.

You know that you're a little different than other guys.

You probably realized at a young age that you saw things differently, and thought differently than others in school...

And you've probably realized that your smart mind gives you an advantage over others in many areas of life...

Your smart mind gives you a particular type of advantage that can be very, very powerful in life: YOU'RE USUALLY RIGHT.

Smart people get used to being "right", because they usually ARE right.

And when you're RIGHT more often than others, you can get ahead in many situations.

But unfortunately, this smart mind of yours can actually be WORSE than USELESS when it comes to a key area of life:

WOMEN AND DATING.

By the way, I did say WORSE than useless.

It can actually be like having a hammer when you need to tighten a bolt. If you use the tool you have for the job, you'll most likely make the situation WORSE.

Of course, it's hard for a smart guy to even IMAGINE a situation where his smart mind could HURT his chances for success...


But trust me, this is one of those situations.

So relax, open your smart mind, and let me share with you the ten reasons why smart guys fail with women... and what to do about it.


REASON #1: THEY'RE WRONG, BUT THEY CAN'T OR WON'T SEE IT OR ADMIT IT

I mentioned that smart guys are used to being RIGHT in most situations.

And what do most smart guys do when they come across a situation where they're WRONG?

They find a new situation... one that fits their strength. They know they'll be right next time, so they just walk away... knowing that it won't be long before they're right again.

(OR they let the "problem situation" destroy them... more on that later.)

Well, the BITCH about being wrong when it comes to women and dating is THERE'S NOWHERE TO RUN AND HIDE.

There's no quick "I'm right" around the next corner to make you feel better.


It only takes "failing" with a few women in a row for a smart guy to see the pattern... and realize that something isn't working.

Solution? Think harder.

A smart guy just assumes that his logic must be good... so he just keeps thinking harder.

But when no success comes, it really starts to become mentally difficult.

Accepting that you're wrong is a VERY hard thing for a "smart guy".


Accepting that you're not only wrong, but you have NO CLUE WHERE TO EVEN START is even more difficult.

Ultimately, many smart guys come up with the following logical conclusion:

I AM A SMART GUY, THEREFORE IF I CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO BE SUCCESSFUL WITH WOMEN AND DATING, THEN THE PROBLEM MUST NOT BE SOLVABLE OR WORTH SOLVING.

Try that on for a self-defeating idea.


REASON #2: THEY'RE BLIND AND ARROGANT

In short, many smart guys refuse to accept that a good, solid, workable answer could come from someone "dumber" than them, so they discount any idea that comes from an "obviously less intelligent person" before trying it.

Let me ask you a question:

If you were going to be walking across Africa on foot, would you rather have your guide be the guy on this planet with the highest I.Q., or a caveman who lived a million years ago that had an I.Q. of about 50... but who grew up being chased by lions and all kinds of animals that wanted to eat him all his life?

It's an interesting question.


Now, hopefully you'd like to have the guide who isn't the smartest guy around... but who has escaped from many, many dangerous situations with deadly animals...

But now let me ask you:

If you'd like to learn how to be more successful with women and dating, would you take advice from a guy who isn't very intelligent, but who knows how to attract women?

There's something about being smart that makes some guys unwilling to accept input, ideas, or instruction from anyone who isn't either as smart or smarter than them.

Well, any SMART GUY can see the folly in this particular approach... once it's examined closely.

If you've been making this mistake, then you need to STOP IT. Stop being an arrogant bastard, and open your eyes.


Look around.

Learn from some "dumb" guys... and let them teach you how to get what you REALLY want.


REASON #3: POOR SOCIAL SKILLS

It BLOWS MY MIND how many smart guys I meet that just don't GET IT when it comes to basic social skills.

It's as if they have logically reasoned that social skills are for lower beings who need to play games... and not worth the time it would take to learn them.

In fact, I believe that there are a lot of smart guys running around this planet who don't even have "social skills" and "be a cool guy that people like" in their "MENTAL MODEL" of what it could possibly take to be successful with women and dating.

Social skills are just that... SKILLS.


They're not social INFORMATION.

They're not social THEORIES.

They're social SKILLS.

And you don't get them by THINKING about them. You get them by GETTING them.

Excellent social skills are the foundation for good communication with other humans... and if you don't have good social skills, you dramatically lower your chances for success with women.


REASON #4: THEY PSYCH THEMSELVES OUT

Smart guys do something that fascinates the hell out of me...

They come up with all the reasons why everything WON'T WORK when it comes to women and dating.

They actually figure out why what they would like to do will probably fail...

They use their amazing creative imaginations to imagine all kinds of horrible pictures and scenes... and then they use those imaginary outcomes to create negative emotions... which ultimately stop them from having success with women and dating.

THEY DON'T EVEN TRY.


Now, if you've thought something through and come up with a good reason why it would fail, it makes sense to not do it, right?

I mean, why would you want to do things that are going to fail?

It's sound logic, but HORRIBLE thinking when it comes to the REAL WORLD... and success with women.

Because smart guys don't UNDERSTAND women, and they don't UNDERSTAND what it takes to be successful with women, they are working with bad figures. They're wrong before they even start figuring!

Using your mind to come up with all the reasons why things won't work in this area of your life leads to ULTIMATE FAILURE.

You must learn to overcome this habit if you have it.



REASON #5: THEY SEEK ONLY "INFORMATIONAL SOLUTIONS"

What does a smart guy do when he runs into a problem... or he needs to figure something out?

He looks for INFORMATION to help him solve the problem.

MORE INFORMATION is always the answer.

Information is the friend of a smart guy.


Got a strange virus on your computer? Just hop on the internet and search for how to eliminate it.

Don't know how to change the alternator on your car? No prob. Just buy the manual and turn to page 147.

Don't know the definition of a word? Open up your dictionary.

MORE INFORMATION solves the problem.

So what do smart guys do when it comes to overcoming a problem with women?

They want MORE INFORMATION.


They think the answer lies in learning just ONE MORE TECHNIQUE... or one more magic concept.

Well what if there were a situation in life where the "get more information" strategy actually made things WORSE?

How would you even know that it was making things worse?

Now, I don't want to suggest that learning more about how to be successful with women is a bad thing. It's not.

But if you have a problem that is EMOTIONAL or PHYSICAL in nature, then reading five million theories on it probably isn't going to help you very much.


You need to get out in the real world and try some stuff!

You need to look at the REAL problem... the ROOT of the problem.

When it comes to women and dating, there's a very good chance that you have MORE than enough "information".

Smart guys often use "more information" to distract them from TAKING ACTION.


I've heard this referred to as "Creative Avoidance".

Nod silently if you've ever figured out a creative way to avoid facing something in your life.

Good, thank you.


REASON #6: THEY FOCUS ON LOGIC INSTEAD OF EMOTION

NEWS JUST IN: Women don't feel ATTRACTION for men who make them THINK.


Women feel ATTRACTION for men who make them FEEL.

So what do most smart guys do when they first meet a woman?

EXACTLY!

They get into a LOGICAL CONVERSATION.

I'm shaking my head right now...

Smart men try to engage women in LOGICAL conversations and interactions because that's where THEY feel comfortable... not knowing that they're SHOOTING THELSEVES IN THE FOOT by doing it!


Get this: A monkey sitting at a typewriter will type the collected works of Shakespeare before you will make a woman feel ATTRACTION for you by engaging her in logical conversation.

When you start a logical conversation with a woman you've just met, you are basically taking out a NEON SIGN that says "I don't get it when it comes to women" and putting it on your head.

Typical "logical" conversations include talking about work, family, school, and jobs... discussing politics, religion, weather... and anything that has to do with math, science, or INTELLIGENCE.

On the other hand, if you start talking to a woman and you say "OK, so tell me something... Why is it that all women say that they want sweet, nice guys... but they all date sexy, selfish bad boys?" (and then make fun of any answer she gives) you're having an EMOTIONAL conversation.


If you don't know what I'm talking about, keep reading. You need more help than I thought.


REASON #7: THEY'RE NOT USED TO THE CHALLENGE OF THE MOMENT

Smart people usually have time to THINK about things.

If you're taking a test, you can sit there and work out the answers.

If you have a math problem, you can work on it until you've figured it out.

If you're trying to fix something, you can keep working on it until it's fixed.

Smart guys are used to being able to take at least a LITTLE bit of time to prepare and show off their "good sides" in most situations.

Not so with women...

If you don't know what to do at every step along the way, you'll be shut down very quickly.

Women have an AMAZING "He doesn't get it" radar system.


Women have all kinds of subtle and ingenious tests that they throw at men to separate the "get its" from the "don't get its".

And if you don't get it, then you're going to fail one of these tests VERY quickly.

But the worst part is that you won't ever KNOW that you were being tested... OR that you failed.

Smart guys aren't used to dealing with complex EMOTIONAL and COMMUNICATION challenges in the moment... and especially the "women and dating" kind.


One of they keys to becoming more successful with women and dating is learning to handle all of the tests that women throw at you effortlessly.

But before you can learn how to deal with the tests, you must first learn how to communicate on an emotional level, how to demonstrate that you have fundamental social skills, and how to keep your cool in the moment.


REASON #8: THEY THINK THAT DOING "NICE" THINGS IS THE "SMART WAY"

OK, let me ask you a trick question:


If I told you that you were going to have a date with the supermodel of your choice, which of the following would you choose as a "smart" way of preparing:

1) Find out what her favorite type of flowers are, and show up with a dozen of them so she would be "wowed".

2) Learn about her favorite travel destination so you could discuss it with her.

3) Find out what her favorite type of food is so you could take her to dinner... and she could see that you cared enough to choose something that she enjoyed.


OK, time's up. Which did you choose?

Now, I already mentioned that this was a TRICK question.

The answer is NONE OF THE ABOVE.

But WHY?

These three options all seemed logical, right?

I mean, why WOULDN'T you want to show up with her favorite flowers?


Why WOULDN'T you want to talk about her favorite places to travel?

Why WOULDN'T you want to take her to eat her favorite foods so she enjoyed herself?

Go with me here...

Smart guys think that they're being CLEVER when they do things like buying a woman her favorite flowers... and bringing them to the FIRST DATE.

Right?

In their minds, they're thinking "I'm going to be the guy who is thinking ahead... and I'm going to show up with the flowers that I KNOW she loves... and she's going to see them and like me more because of it".


Makes sense... good math, right?

Well the one teensy-weensy mistake that these "smart" guys make is not realizing that it doesn't actually take a smart person to think like this!

In fact, ANY jackass can figure out how to kiss a woman's ass.

And guess what?

WOMEN KNOW THIS!


And guess what else?

EVERY WUSSBAG DOES THIS STUFF.

An intelligent guy, in his proud arrogance, will think he's being such the charmer by using this "thoughtful" approach...

...and the woman he is chasing will interpret it as just another Wussy who's trying to MANIPULATE her.

Ouch. Another blow to intelligence.



Reason #9: ALWAYS NEEDING TO BE THE EXPERT

Have you ever met a smart guy who always needed to be "right"?

Have you ever met someone who would actually argue with you about something they knew nothing about... and make a fool of themselves because they just couldn't shut their "smart mouths"?

Over the last few years helping guys improve their success with women, I see this one pattern over and over again...


Smart guys don't like to be "beginners" at ANYTHING.

They don't like the idea of screwing up... especially if others are watching.

They want to maintain this "smart guy" image of themselves... so they try to always be "The Expert" at whatever they do.


Instead of saying "Hey, you know what? I'm a beginner at this... how do I do it? What should I do first? What next?"... and instead of being totally OK with screwing up, making mistakes, and making a fool of themselves in front of others in order to LEARN...

...they won't risk embarrassment, failure, or others thinking that they're beginners... so they wind up ultimately FAILING.

MORE NEWS JUST IN: It's OK to be a beginner.


Reason #10: THEY CAN'T DEAL WITH FEAR AND OTHER EMOTIONS

A smart guy's STRENGTH is his MIND.


His WEAKNESS is often his EMOTIONS.

Smart guys are often IMMOBILIZED by FEAR.

Totally stopped.

FROZEN.

And since many smart guys aren't comfortable dealing with things they're not good at, they just repress or RUN away from fear.

Many men would rather DIE in lonely isolation than admit that they don't know how to deal with their emotions... or, GODFORBID, ask for help!


Hey, I went for YEARS like this.

I know what it's like.

But the reality is that any guy can learn to handle and even MASTER his emotions (even fear)... if he just takes the time and effort to learn HOW to do it.

If this is you, then do yourself a big favor... take the time. Take the effort.

Don't worry about what anyone else thinks of you... it doesn't matter.

What matters is you doing the things that YOU need to do FOR YOU.


...I think the reason why I'm so fascinated with "The Genius Failure Paradox" is because I have had to struggle with all of these issues for a lot of years of my life.

Now, I'm not saying that I'm the smartest guy on the planet...

But I don't think mamma raised no fool.

And it always bothered the hell out of me that even though I was so good at figuring things out, I couldn't figure WOMEN out.

Something tells me that you know what I'm talking about.


Well, after beating my head against the wall for a few years... trying all kinds of crazy "logical" stuff... I finally got the "bright" idea to start studying guys who were "naturally" good with women.

Of course, I found out that you could be both NOT SMART, and VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH WOMEN at the same time.

I also learned that you can be SMART and VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH WOMEN too.


By carefully studying what the "naturals" did with women... and learning how they "thought" about the topic, I began to realize that success with women wasn't entirely LOGICAL.

Much of what I learned was very tough for me to accept... because my logical brain just didn't want to buy into it.

One thing I saw was guys pushing women away from them... and having the women then chase them in response.

Made no sense at all.


I saw guys tease beautiful women and make jokes about them to their faces... and then watched those women become "little girls" in response... unable to maintain their composure, and therefore unable to maintain their manipulative power...

It took me quite a long time, but I continued to learn, test, and refine what I was learning until I personally figured out how to approach women in any situation... get any woman's number I wanted anytime I wanted... date any type of woman I wanted...

...and most importantly, GET RID of that "empty" feeling that I carried around my whole life because I didn't know how to attract women.

And once I got this area of my own life together, I decided to help other guys get this area of THEIR lives together.


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To: Senator Pardek

C'mon, you're still cute or whatever.


561 posted on 04/14/2005 8:31:43 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul

That's why they keep me here.


562 posted on 04/14/2005 8:36:58 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Senator Pardek
Hahahaha night Senator.

Be good now.

563 posted on 04/14/2005 8:40:18 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: HitmanNY
The 'women like bad boys or jerks' is a strawman

Beauty and the Beast Tale as old as time Song as old as rhyme

564 posted on 04/14/2005 8:43:00 PM PDT by hopespringseternal (</i>)
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To: hopespringseternal

Yep.


565 posted on 04/14/2005 8:47:55 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: HitmanNY
Irregardless of what the feminist and women tell you, and their denial thereof,
They want" GOOD LOOKS " and " MONEY" .
And this conclusion was not made by my own observation ( it just confirms what I already knew ).
I got this from many women who told me personally ( or confided in telling me so, about women ) what women are looking for.
This is not what a man or men have told me, or by my own conclusion, this is what many women have told me through out the years I have known them.
Yes, I have gotten in the " FRIEND " category with women, and so, it didn't matter what I said to them, or asked them, you can learn a lot about women just by being their friend.
Some women that have told me this were very frank about it, or had no qualms of admitting this to me.
As for me, I am trusting in that GOD will send the right woman my way, I am not going to trust in " WORLDY WISDOM " and the " NEW TECHNIQUE " or the next self help book, because, like some have said here on this thread , it's just marketing.
My trust is in GOD, and if GOD wants me to have a woman in my life, so be it.
566 posted on 04/14/2005 9:56:36 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: paltz

Couldn't read even up to #5. I mean, he doesn't really even say anything meaningful. Smart guys suck at this, no good at this, really lousy at this, etc. Never tells them what they should do according to his hairbrained logic. As a matter of fact, never really tells them what they're doing wrong. Just that they are. Obviously sees himself as a "stupid" guy. Gotta' give him points for that bit of insight.


567 posted on 04/14/2005 10:11:01 PM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
Yep, I was one of the first on the thread (maybe the first) to mention it was marketing.

That being said, the ideas of 'good looks' and 'money' are certainly very attractive to women, but that doesn't really tell us very much.

First: money. It's just a symbol of security and safety. Women are drawn to that - that's normal and natural. A man need not be a multimillionaire to offer a woman that feeling of security. Money isn't as big a deal as men think, except at the extremes:

a. an abnormal amount of money is appealing but often women courted by these men get antsy feeling he may be trying to 'buy her.' [Still, better to be loaded than not!]

b. an abnormal lack of money could be devastating to a man's sex appeal - a guy in his 40s living in his parents basement and who can't hold a job doesn't give women a feeling of security.

Almost everything in between really is fine.

As far as looks go, women are far more particular in their tastes than men. While there is certainly a broad, common standard of what women find as handsome (though not nearly as broad and common a standard that men share for what we consider a hot woman), the truth is that as a woman emotionally and physically bond with a man, his features become more handsome to her. He becomes very handsome to her, even if his looks are fairly removed from the general impression of handsome.

As I said in an earlier post, following up on my friends tortoise's and Mr. Jeeves excellent observations, the wide majority of men are good looking enough for the vast majority of women (even the vast majority of incredibly good looking women), provided they make a minor effort to be well dressed, well groomed, etc.

The truth is, you can look at a gorgeous woman out on a date with a devastatingly handsome man, well built, tall, expensive clothes and a fancy car, and the truth is just by looking at them we really have no idea how fulfilled in the relationship she is.

One guy on this thread thought that some of this discussion would lead to a slutty bride who gets pregnant by the pool boy. Regardless of his odd fixation, women in that position are what I am talking about - regardless of the socially accepted trappings of success and happiness, they are unfulfilled.

The sad part is that their men could go a long way to fulfilling them emotionally and physically if they were just attentive to a few little things.

Overstating the significance of good looks and money isn't helpful. When you understand it, it makes sense and you can learn from it. When it's used as an excuse for consistent failure on the part of average looking and average income men, then it's a needlessly limiting belief.
568 posted on 04/14/2005 10:34:25 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: streetpreacher

The author is trying to sell something, which is why it's not very meaningful. He wants the reader to buy something to get to the good stuff.


569 posted on 04/14/2005 10:35:42 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: Rca2000
(something I should remind FReepers about.. It is NOT a good idea, to have all digital, or cordless phones at home. Every household needs at least ONE line-powered, old-fashioned touch-tone phone, that will work WITHOUT the power being on.Otherwise... when the power goes off, NO phones. Now.. I had TWO messages on the answering machine, I had been saving since last Nov, from GWB, and those are most likely lost forever(it is a digital TAD.)AND-- this new "digital" phone service, where the phone is on the cable... DONT!!!! Cable around here is NOTORIOUSLY unreliable, and I would NOT want my phone service to depend on my cable servicer!!

I know, where I live, the cable goes out everytime a grackle (bird) farts. B-) Well, not THAT bad, but you'll get the idea. B-D. No cable, no phone. Better have at least a cellphone handy but much better is to keep a wired phone with a regular phone as you put it. Heck, my grandmother used a rotary phone until she died in 1997.

ANYHOO, as for the discussion at hand... NO I am NOT a HAM, the club is for ANTIQUE radios, tv's, etc, but there are a number of hams there.

I figure you would have a number of amateur radio operators there.

And yes.. I sometimes get into the "what if" game, too. I love history, especially WWII.

Cool. My favorites in history are the Victorian/Edwardian Eras, World War II and the Cold War.
570 posted on 04/15/2005 10:28:18 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian - Any Questions?)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Perhaps the widespread military service undertaken by 17-18-year-olds in past geneations made a difference, and helped a larger percentage of young men establish themselves as independent individuals, free of Mom's apron strings and her teachings on romance. In these days of the "slacker culture" where it isn't uncommon for 30-year-old men to live with their parents, something is broken.

I don't always think that is true at all. Many grown children are at home for economic and/or family reasons, such as myself. I actually think that is a good idea overall, families need to stick together and we seem to be lacking that. Having multi-generation households were common prior to World War II, think of the TV show "The Waltons." I've talked to someone from Italy and it is still common over there and in many European countries for grown children to stay at home at least until marriage. If I may dare to say so myself, I would say this is where the European way of life have it over us.

One caveat, if the grown children are at home not contributing anything (if they are able-bodied) chorewise and/or not paying for anything, then I would agree with you, but if they are doing their share of the work and/or dropping some shekels into the family pot, I have no problems with it at all.
571 posted on 04/15/2005 10:34:41 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian - Any Questions?)
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To: nopardons
I took a wee look at your personal page. I'm a VICTORIAN/EDWARDIAN nutter, like alternative history and I can't possibly be the only female with such tastes...you just have to find the ones out there, who share your interests. IT CAN BE DONE ! :-)

I'm glad there are some out there with interests like that. BTW, one of my favorite "alternate history" authors is Harry Turtledove, he along with actor Richard Dreyfuss authored a book called "The Two Georges" where it took place in an alternate America where the British won the American Revolution.
572 posted on 04/15/2005 10:37:00 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian - Any Questions?)
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To: Rca2000
I don't know If I would qualify as a"remittance man" or not, BUT-- I am the blacksheep of my mothers family, church(both past and present), college, high and lower school, and so on!!

Dang, looks like we have another thing in common. I know in my mother's family, I'm often seen as a "black sheep" or "all thumbs" where I can do no right. I mean if I could save the world from Alien Space Bats, cure AIDS/cancer, benchpress a 1968 Buick and whistle "The Battle Hymn to the Republic" while doing a headstand, I would still not be good enough for my aunt. B-) Dunno if I'm a "remittance man" (not sure what one is if one bit me in the butt) or not, but I know that feeling. Boy, we are really spilling out guts here, normally I would be afraid to but hey, it is good, at least none of us are alone. B-)
573 posted on 04/15/2005 10:42:15 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian - Any Questions?)
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To: HitmanNY
Overstating the significance of good looks and money isn't helpful.

Also, women want good looks and money to make up for the dorky personalities they have to put up with ("If I'm going to have to settle for a wuss boy, he had better at least be rich and good looking!") Offer her a masculine, self-confident alternative, and all of a sudden the good looks and money aren't so important to her. Hollywood is full of examples of the famous actress marrying her security guard or driver.

If a women feels like she has "settled" for you, you've got one foot in divorce court before you've even started.

574 posted on 04/15/2005 10:51:05 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Violence never settles anything." Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: Nowhere Man
I mean if I could save the world from Alien Space Bats, cure AIDS/cancer, benchpress a 1968 Buick and whistle "The Battle Hymn to the Republic" while doing a headstand, I would still not be good enough for my aunt. B-)

Next time she criticizes you, tell her to shut up and mind her own business.

You'll be surprised how, in a very short time, she'll start talking to everyone about how much better Nowhere Man has become, lately. ;)

575 posted on 04/15/2005 10:53:53 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Violence never settles anything." Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Yes, I agree. Just some of the simple things we have mentioned go a long way to making a man appealing, and to keep a woman satisfied in the relationship.

A shame more men don't 'get it.'


576 posted on 04/15/2005 11:07:11 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: HitmanNY
The 'women like bad boys or jerks' is a strawman - it's mostly repeated by men who consistently don't do well in attracting women and sexually exciting them.

Yes! Thank you! Lord, I HATE this cliche. What a cow muffin. I'm sure there are some damaged (and usually very young) women out there who like grief and trouble, but adult women want adult men -- and being an adult does not mean being a "bad boy."

577 posted on 04/15/2005 11:15:16 AM PDT by Glenmerle
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To: paltz

As a divorced dad (I divorced her) I pondereded the meaning of the whole man/woman relationship and it all comes down to 5 seconds of "uuuuhhhh".

All the hassles, all the money, all the time, nagging, coordination, etc. etc., all for those measly 5 seconds of pleasure. It aint worth it!!!

So NO THANKS ladies. Im free of you forever.

And if I want that 5 seconds, I'll buy it.


578 posted on 04/15/2005 11:20:35 AM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: Glenmerle

It's just the truth. 'Bab boy' traits are attractive in the respect that they are just exaggerated masculine traits. Sincere women who enter relationships with them are bound to be hurt.

An emotionally mature woman will chose a masculine, good guy over the jerk or the sexless 'nice guy' any day of the week.

We all get what we deserve.


579 posted on 04/15/2005 11:21:31 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: Mr. Jeeves
In my own case, with my mothers family, especially my uncle, he has a bad heart, and breathing problems. His son, Terry, has a pacemaker. SO-- If I stand my ground with them TOO much,and cause too much of a heated argument, I run the risk of causing an "engine failure" in one, or both of them. THAT, is something i could NOT live with-- If I caused my uncle or cousin to die right in front of me, over a political discussion. Also-- another reason, my relatives do not like me-- when I was little, I was VERY nosy, and destructive, and would go around peoples houses messing with electrical/mechanical items, to "see how they worked". never mind that that was nearly 30 years ago, or so-- they have NOT forgotten that.

BUT, I know what you all mean. Around Christmas-- most of the family were at my uncles house--- his sons kids were singing a stupid little song, where they kept repeating "fleas on the dog", or something. They all thought it was SO cute.Meanwhile, I wrote TWO songs(posted here), around Christmas, and when I mentioned them to him, and the rest of the family, "hummph", was the response. The same with my novel-- they have NEVER supported me, on any of my endeavors.
580 posted on 04/15/2005 12:30:06 PM PDT by Rca2000 (America, oh America, I MISS YOU!!!!!)
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