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SSPX PRESS COMMUNIQUÉ: On the death of Pope John Paul II
Society of St. Pius X ^ | April 2, 2005 | Bishop Bernard Fellay

Posted on 04/07/2005 6:54:37 AM PDT by Ebenezer

SSPX PRESS COMMUNIQUÉ

On the death of Pope John Paul II

Menzingen[, Switzerland] Easter Saturday 2 April, 2005

The Superior General of the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X and his two assistants, together with all its members: bishops, priests, brothers, sisters as well as the faithful, join in the prayer of the Universal Church at the announcement of the passing of the Holy Father, Pope John Paul II. We commend his soul to the mercy of God the Father and the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

There will be a Requiem Mass said in each house of the Society for the repose of the soul of the Holy Father.

The Society of Saint Pius X, founded by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, applauds the fight undertaken by Karol Wojtyla for the protection of life and his efforts in the moral sphere. Nonetheless, it feels it a duty to repeat that it has always disapproved of the indefatigable efforts of Pope John Paul II towards ecumenism, efforts which have led to a weakening of the Faith and of the defence of Truth.

The Society is aware of the superhuman task awaiting the future Supreme Pontiff and prays the Holy Ghost to enlighten the Cardinal Electors. It hopes the new Vicar of Christ will be able to take up the helm of the Church with a steady hand and make good the damage caused in the wake of the Second Vatican Council: liturgical unity and the unity of Faith have been dissolved and doctrinal errors have spread amongst all the clergy.

While we wait and hope for this, it is now time to pray for him who has just entered eternity.

Bishop Bernard Fellay Superior General of the SSPX


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To: Mr. K

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101 posted on 04/08/2005 9:01:26 AM PDT by Triple (All forms of socialism deny individuals the right to the fruits of their labor)
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To: Cicero

Having previously been in the SSPX for a while, I can attest to the following:

The SSPX has never been sedvacantist. The SSPX regularly prays for the Pope, inserting his name where applicable.

Individual priests are known to be "closet" sedevacantists, but they do not discuss it. However, in one case I have seen, a priest subtely revealed his position since he never invoked the name of the Pope by name when it came to time to pray for the Pope. He would say, "Let's pray for the Holy See" and then use one of the prayers which do not require the insertion of the Pope's name. But these types are in the the very small minority.


102 posted on 04/08/2005 9:02:52 AM PDT by jrny (Anima Papae nostrae defunctae, Joannis Pauli secundi, requiescat in pace. Amen.)
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To: murphE

Yes, they are absolutely not pure, but I fished and you bit.
It was fun. Lighten up. All is well with the world and the environment.


103 posted on 04/12/2005 11:00:09 AM PDT by clearsight
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To: GerardPH
Hmmm.....I fished and you bit. It was fun. All is well with man and the environment.
104 posted on 04/12/2005 11:02:04 AM PDT by clearsight
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To: clearsight

I fished too. And you bit as well. A timid, little tiny bite.

I was curious as to whether you had anything but puffery to back up your nonsense.

You don't.

I was right.

As I knew I would be. :)

When you think you're ready to be taken to school, let me know.


105 posted on 04/12/2005 10:21:29 PM PDT by GerardPH
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To: GerardPH
There is no remedy for Roman Catholicism. There is no school to attend there, but the school of heresy. To place the authority of Tradition on the same level with the authority of God's Holy Scriptures is to repeat the same error the Jews made with their traditions that caused the law (word of God) to (be nullified) have no affect, among them. There is only one requirement (work) that Jesus put on people and that (was) is "to believe on the one whom God had sent" and that very person was the Lord Jesus himself. Salvation is very simple to attain, but the pride of man will not (settle for) accept its simpliciy, but wants to add meritorious works to offer to God. To rely on anything other than acceptance of the simple gift is to actually cut onesself off from grace.
106 posted on 04/13/2005 11:32:54 AM PDT by clearsight
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To: clearsight

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107 posted on 04/13/2005 11:36:26 AM PDT by clearsight
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To: clearsight

There is no remedy for Roman Catholicism. There is no school to attend there, but the school of heresy.

A pointless unvalidated opinion. This will be too easy.

To place the authority of Tradition on the same level with the authority of God's Holy Scriptures is to repeat the same error the Jews made with their traditions that caused the law (word of God) to (be nullified) have no affect, among them.

Tell me, what did the Christians of the first three centuries do? There was no official Bible at the time. The Bible is part of the Sacred Tradition of the Church. It was canonized (settled as a book by the Catholic Church in the Council of Rome in the year 382 under Pope Damasus. Later verified by the Councils of Hippo and Carthage and in each case the Canon is identical to the current Canon of the Bible. To place your own interpretation of the Scriptures above those appointed by Christ to his Church is to repeat the errors of all heretics.

Besides St. Paul verifies the necessity for holding to tradition.

14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. 15 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God and our Father, who hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation, and good hope in grace,

Notes: "Traditions"... See here that the unwritten traditions are no less to be received than their epistles.

There is only one requirement (work) that Jesus put on people and that (was) is "to believe on the one whom God had sent" and that very person was the Lord Jesus himself.

Nope. Jesus required a few things. More than just saying, "Lord! Lord!"

5 Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again ***of water*** and*** the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

And Peter says:

21 Whereunto ***baptism*** being of the like form, ***now saveth you also***: not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the examination of a good conscience towards God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

And John writes:

54 Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: ***Except you eat the flesh**** of the Son of man, and drink his blood,**** you shall not have life*** in you. 55 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.

56 For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. 57 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. 58 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me. 59 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever. 60 These things he said, teaching in the synagogue, in Capharnaum.

Salvation is very simple to attain, but the pride of man will not (settle for) accept its simpliciy, but wants to add meritorious works to offer to God.

Cor 10:12 :Therefore, whoever thinks he is standing secure should take care not to fall.

Phil 2:12-13 :So then, my beloved, obedient as you have always been, not only when I am present but all the more now when I am absent, ****work out your salvation**** with fear and trembling. For God is the one who, for his good purpose, works in you both****to desire and to work.***

Interesting, the Scriptures show you to be guilty of that same pride by refusing Christ's Church.

Christ set up a visible church, not the Bible as the pillar and foundation of truth.

He appointed Apostles breathed on them and empowered them (real men) to forgive and retain sins and to settle disputes.

His flesh is real meat and blood real drink while at the same time being under the appearance of bread and wine. It's not symbolic.

Mary's soul does magnify the Lord, all generations are to call her blessed. She IS the mother of the Lord. He is the fruit of her womb. "

18 Now the generation of Christ was in this wise. When as *** his mother Mary*** was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child, of the Holy Ghost." The Lord says to the Disciple that loves him, "Behold your Mother."

All of that is in the plain text of the bible but you'll ignore it. It's all there. Yet you ignore it. At the same time you think that the Catholic Church doesn't understand it's own book. And you demand that all truth be in a book that doesn't say it's required.

To rely on anything other than acceptance of the simple gift is to actually cut onesself off from grace.

13 Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. 14 How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!

21 Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. 24 Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock, 25 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell not, for it was founded on a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these my words, and doth them not, shall be like a foolish man that built his house upon the sand, 27 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell, and great was the fall thereof.


108 posted on 04/13/2005 9:02:13 PM PDT by GerardPH
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To: GerardPH
Tell me, what did the Christians of the first three centuries do?
Not anything really different than what Spirit Filled/ led Christians do today in developed or 3rd world countries.
1.Pray in the Spirit (gift of tongues or in native language)
and function in their particular gifts of the Holy Ghost.
2.Listen to the Voice (impressions)of/by the Holy Spirit, other believers and elders for direction and service to others in life.
Shared their faith with unbelievers. 3.Gathered together in the homes of other Christians or their own for worship, the reading of whatever copies of the early letters they might have had access to if any at all and their own inspired writings, breaking of bread (meal and remembrance of the Lord Jesus, fellowship,singing of personal or others inspired songs.
You see the Holy Ghost and His gifts are given to each believer as he wills to distribute them and together corporately we are led to all truth.
That is why all believers do not run in mass to join the Catholic Church. The Holy Ghost is not telling them to do that in the majority of cases, if really any at all. If the Catholic Church were the true church then the Holy Spirit would lead all people to it. That is not happening. I and millions of others like me will follow the lead of the Holy Ghost and work out our salvation with fear and trembling.
109 posted on 04/14/2005 6:49:45 AM PDT by clearsight
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To: clearsight

You're imbibing in what Scriptures call the Doctrine of Devils. My friend Gerry Matatics used to attend Charismatic meetings in which he would recite Psalms in Hebrew. Of course others would come up and translate for them. It's amazing how the Holy Spirit doesn't recognize his own words.

I suggest you go hear Gerry if he comes to your town or you can check out his conversion story of how the Bible convinced him that the one, true Church of Christ is the Catholic Church.

www.gerrymatatics.org


It seems you know nothing of Church history except charismatic revisionism.
You're following practices that go no further than 100 years back and have their origins in Wisconsin.

As far as believers who don't join the Catholic Church goes, if they don't join, they will go to Hell. It's that simple. If they don't believe in the Church that Christ established here on earth, then they are not believers except in the Devil making himself into an Angel of Light in order to fool them with false versions of Christianity.

They are lost as well if they are not saved according to Christ's will.


110 posted on 04/15/2005 10:39:21 PM PDT by GerardPH
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To: GerardPH
Thanks for coming back......... Were the apostles the only ones to have the gifts of the Holy Spirit ??
If they were, then one would presume them (gifts) to have passed away once they all (apostles) died, unless they (apostles) passed them on (gifts) through the laying on of hands to others.
If Peter were the head of the early church and it was possible to lay on hands and pass down his giftings (as the leader) then who did he lay hands on (his successor)???
111 posted on 04/18/2005 9:49:13 AM PDT by clearsight
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To: GerardPH
You're imbibing in what Scriptures call the Doctrine of Devils.
Reply: No where in the N.T. are the gifts of the Spirit condemned, but on the contrary are encouraged, although I can see how they would threaten a counterfeit church. Be careful that you don't attribute to the devil that which is of God. Lucifer can mimic any gift of the H.G. thru cooperative individuals that is why we always pray for discernment in these matters. See Acts 16:16-19 for an example of this.

My friend Gerry Matatics used to attend Charismatic meetings in which he would recite Psalms in Hebrew. Of course others would come up and translate for them. It's amazing how the Holy Spirit doesn't recognize his own words.

Reply: To bad these people were not very discerning (this "discernment" is a gift of the H.G. also if you didn't know). Women were sent from the local coven (witches if you didn't know) to our meetings also to cause trouble like this guy was doing (not saying he was sent, but might have been). Our people picked up on the bad spirit almost immediately and they (women) were confronted publicly in the meeting. Covens send women (witches) and men (warlocks) out to seduce pastors and women in the churches as well. It is spiritual warfare you know, but most legalistic/religious Christians are lazy and cowardly and to frightened to enter into such warfare; besides they are not a threat to Lucifer's kingdom because they are already neutralized into complacency by their leaders.

I suggest you go hear Gerry if he comes to your town or you can check out his conversion story of how the Bible convinced him that the one, true Church of Christ is the Catholic Church.
reply: I don't know what bible he was reading, but it isn't the same one obviously that I read and by the way my first bible after I believed on the Lord Jesus and was filled with the glorious H.G. was a catholic edition complete with all the doctrinally influenced footnotes. I was definitely not convinced that the Roman church was the true organized church from what I read. Nothing in there remotely resembles the Roman church of today. The Roman church has a historical track record outside the bible that is very difficult to hide from public viewing and does not resemble the character of Jesus at all; by their fruits ye shall know them.

www.gerrymatatics.org


It seems you know nothing of Church history except charismatic revisionism.
You're following practices that go no further than 100 years back and have their origins in Wisconsin.
Reply: You really need to read the New Testament some time, especially the book of Acts; Peter, Paul and Johns letters would help you also.
We are, historically speaking, between the first coming of the Holy Spirit (Pentecost) and the second coming of Jesus. Nothing has changed. People are still saved from hell through faith in the Lord Jesus; baptized publically as a testimony to the unbelievers and are sealed by God (mark of his ownership) with the indwelling Holy Spirit for a full salvation to be revealed. The gifts of the Holy Ghost are still given out to each as He wills and also as we desire (see 1 cor. 14:1,2), but really only to those who ask (Luke 11:13).

As far as believers who don't join the Catholic Church goes, if they don't join, they will go to Hell.
Reply: You have moved outside the truth in the scriptures with that statement; See John 3:36 (He that believes on the Son has everlasting life and he that believes not on the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him (period) and a myriad of other scriptures back this up. Stop following the lead of your teachers and stop adding to the word of God and by thus doing keeping people out of the kingdom which you will be responsible for before His throne one day.

It's that simple. If they don't believe in the Church that Christ established here on earth, then they are not believers except in the Devil making himself into an Angel of Light in order to fool them with false versions of Christianity.
Reply: The kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom; not a physical kingdom of Popes, Cardinals, Bishops and priests, properties and buildings ruling like despotic lords who distort the pure good news of Jesus and hide from view the simple way into the kingdom. We are the dwelling place for Him (God) in the Spirit, we as believers are the temple of the Holy Ghost. The church goes wherever a believer goes.We as God's people are being built up into a temple, a dwelling place for God in the Spirit.

They are lost as well if they are not saved according to Christ's will.
Reply: Please go read the new testament again and try to do it without all the baggage you have picked up from the false church; and as far as being saved goes; I know enough about your teachings to know that you can't even know if you are saved even if you do all the stuff (works) your priests and bishops tell you to do, so what kind of motivation is that; no guaranteed rewards for following the rules??? Sounds like a con game. Jesus is a much better reliable Lord to follow than your deceiving leaders, teachers. He (Jesus) makes promises and keeps them. Jesus Christ is Lord (no one can say that except he be inspired by the Holy Ghost and no one can say cursed be Jesus and be in the Holy Ghost). I can tell that you are a pre-vatican II catholic. The charismatics in your church are a long way ahead of you in their spiritual maturity. Would help if you would ground yourself in the Scriptures rather in the embellished teaching of the false church which keeps people out of the true kingdom of God here on earth and maybe even in heaven. I apologize because I sound little rough on you, but I have been to the mountain and what you say just ain't so. I pray you will get there also some day and your eyes will be open like mine were. Some of my best friends have been (are) Catholic Priests. All of them from their testimonies are Saved from Hell even if they won't admit to it (because of their faith in the Lord Jesus). Again I say "Jesus is Lord"
112 posted on 04/19/2005 8:24:53 AM PDT by clearsight
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