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To: clearsight

There is no remedy for Roman Catholicism. There is no school to attend there, but the school of heresy.

A pointless unvalidated opinion. This will be too easy.

To place the authority of Tradition on the same level with the authority of God's Holy Scriptures is to repeat the same error the Jews made with their traditions that caused the law (word of God) to (be nullified) have no affect, among them.

Tell me, what did the Christians of the first three centuries do? There was no official Bible at the time. The Bible is part of the Sacred Tradition of the Church. It was canonized (settled as a book by the Catholic Church in the Council of Rome in the year 382 under Pope Damasus. Later verified by the Councils of Hippo and Carthage and in each case the Canon is identical to the current Canon of the Bible. To place your own interpretation of the Scriptures above those appointed by Christ to his Church is to repeat the errors of all heretics.

Besides St. Paul verifies the necessity for holding to tradition.

14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. 15 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God and our Father, who hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation, and good hope in grace,

Notes: "Traditions"... See here that the unwritten traditions are no less to be received than their epistles.

There is only one requirement (work) that Jesus put on people and that (was) is "to believe on the one whom God had sent" and that very person was the Lord Jesus himself.

Nope. Jesus required a few things. More than just saying, "Lord! Lord!"

5 Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again ***of water*** and*** the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

And Peter says:

21 Whereunto ***baptism*** being of the like form, ***now saveth you also***: not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the examination of a good conscience towards God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

And John writes:

54 Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: ***Except you eat the flesh**** of the Son of man, and drink his blood,**** you shall not have life*** in you. 55 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.

56 For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. 57 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. 58 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me. 59 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever. 60 These things he said, teaching in the synagogue, in Capharnaum.

Salvation is very simple to attain, but the pride of man will not (settle for) accept its simpliciy, but wants to add meritorious works to offer to God.

Cor 10:12 :Therefore, whoever thinks he is standing secure should take care not to fall.

Phil 2:12-13 :So then, my beloved, obedient as you have always been, not only when I am present but all the more now when I am absent, ****work out your salvation**** with fear and trembling. For God is the one who, for his good purpose, works in you both****to desire and to work.***

Interesting, the Scriptures show you to be guilty of that same pride by refusing Christ's Church.

Christ set up a visible church, not the Bible as the pillar and foundation of truth.

He appointed Apostles breathed on them and empowered them (real men) to forgive and retain sins and to settle disputes.

His flesh is real meat and blood real drink while at the same time being under the appearance of bread and wine. It's not symbolic.

Mary's soul does magnify the Lord, all generations are to call her blessed. She IS the mother of the Lord. He is the fruit of her womb. "

18 Now the generation of Christ was in this wise. When as *** his mother Mary*** was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child, of the Holy Ghost." The Lord says to the Disciple that loves him, "Behold your Mother."

All of that is in the plain text of the bible but you'll ignore it. It's all there. Yet you ignore it. At the same time you think that the Catholic Church doesn't understand it's own book. And you demand that all truth be in a book that doesn't say it's required.

To rely on anything other than acceptance of the simple gift is to actually cut onesself off from grace.

13 Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. 14 How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!

21 Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. 24 Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock, 25 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell not, for it was founded on a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these my words, and doth them not, shall be like a foolish man that built his house upon the sand, 27 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell, and great was the fall thereof.


108 posted on 04/13/2005 9:02:13 PM PDT by GerardPH
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To: GerardPH
Tell me, what did the Christians of the first three centuries do?
Not anything really different than what Spirit Filled/ led Christians do today in developed or 3rd world countries.
1.Pray in the Spirit (gift of tongues or in native language)
and function in their particular gifts of the Holy Ghost.
2.Listen to the Voice (impressions)of/by the Holy Spirit, other believers and elders for direction and service to others in life.
Shared their faith with unbelievers. 3.Gathered together in the homes of other Christians or their own for worship, the reading of whatever copies of the early letters they might have had access to if any at all and their own inspired writings, breaking of bread (meal and remembrance of the Lord Jesus, fellowship,singing of personal or others inspired songs.
You see the Holy Ghost and His gifts are given to each believer as he wills to distribute them and together corporately we are led to all truth.
That is why all believers do not run in mass to join the Catholic Church. The Holy Ghost is not telling them to do that in the majority of cases, if really any at all. If the Catholic Church were the true church then the Holy Spirit would lead all people to it. That is not happening. I and millions of others like me will follow the lead of the Holy Ghost and work out our salvation with fear and trembling.
109 posted on 04/14/2005 6:49:45 AM PDT by clearsight
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