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AP poll: Next pope should pursue change
AP ^ | 4/4/5 | WILL LESTER

Posted on 04/04/2005 8:00:34 AM PDT by SmithL

WASHINGTON - Most Americans want the next pope to work for changes in Roman Catholic Church policies to allow priests to marry and women to join the priesthood. And they want more done to combat sexual abuse by priests, an AP-Ipsos poll found.

A solid majority of Americans, and Catholics in the country, are calling for the changes even while saying they widely admire Pope John Paul II, who supported traditional policies against priest marriage and against allowing women into the priesthood.

"He crossed so many boundaries, opened doors to many governments," said Joseph Riess, a Catholic businessman from Vienna, Va. "But I think it's time for changes."

Just over half of Americans, 51 percent, and almost three-fourths of Catholics say John Paul, who died Saturday, will be remembered as one of the greatest popes, according to the poll conducted for The Associated Press by Ipsos-Public Affairs.

The U.S. Catholic church is struggling with a variety of problems, including a dramatically shrinking U.S. priesthood, disagreement over the proper role for lay leaders, and a conservative-liberal divide over sexuality, women's ordination and clergy celibacy.

About two-thirds of those polled said priests should be allowed to marry and almost that many said they want women in the priesthood. A majority of Catholics supported both steps.

More than four in five Americans - and about the same number of Catholics - said they want to see the next pope do more to address the problem of priests sexually abusing children.

The church has been trying to deal with an abuse crisis that bubbled to the surface in January 2002 in the Archdiocese of Boston, then spread throughout the country. Since then, the church has adopted a toughened discipline policy, enacted child protection and victim outreach plans in dioceses, and removed hundreds of accused priests from church work.

Americans were divided when asked from where the next pope should come. Just over a third said he should be from Europe, while a similar number said he should be from a part of the world where Catholicism is growing fastest, like Africa or Latin America. The rest weren't sure.

"I don't think it matters where they're from," said Heather Schramko, a clinical researcher and a Catholic from Perrysburg, Ohio. "But they need to modernize the church."

The AP-Ipsos poll of 1,001 adults was taken Friday to Sunday and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Some of the interviews were conducted before news broke Saturday about the pope's death, but most people knew he was gravely ill.


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To: Heatseeker

The image of Cardinal Ratzinger or Arinze in a campaign hat....ROTF!


181 posted on 04/04/2005 9:34:28 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: sinkspur
Also, scare quotes notwithstanding, the impossibility of the ordination of women is indeed a teaching.

It was infallibly taught in Ordinatio Sacerdotalis. This was confirmed by the Curia.

Women's Ordination: It's Infallible

Game over.

182 posted on 04/04/2005 9:35:36 AM PDT by B Knotts (Iohannes Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem.)
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To: Heatseeker
The problem of course is that the AP writer, like most in the MSM, are completely without God and hence cannot comprehend the idea that the cardinals' decisions might be made on the basis of prayer. I suspect they think as soon as the doors of the Sistine are sealed shut, the cardinals all break out campaign signs and silly hats and have rallies and then break up into focus groups.

************

I think you're right.

183 posted on 04/04/2005 9:36:42 AM PDT by trisham
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To: sinkspur

That is what I get for listening to the MSM about the bishop and his stand.


184 posted on 04/04/2005 9:37:08 AM PDT by Ingtar (Understanding is a three-edged sword : your side, my side, and the truth in between ." -- Kosh)
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To: AQGeiger
So I do think there is some value in polling the opinions of American Catholics, but likely not in the way you mean for me to do so.

Correct.

(And you made some huge leaps to incorrect conclusions)

185 posted on 04/04/2005 9:38:09 AM PDT by Protagoras (Christ is risen.)
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To: Protagoras
I love acid tests. Any others?

There's one that begins with Credo in unum Deum Patrem omnipotentem....

186 posted on 04/04/2005 9:39:03 AM PDT by Loyalist (Joannes Paulus P.P. II, 1920-2005, Requiescat in pace.)
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To: SmithL

Thank God no American Cardinal has a chance of being elected Pope.


187 posted on 04/04/2005 9:39:59 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Loyalist

My latin is rusty. Interpret please.


188 posted on 04/04/2005 9:39:59 AM PDT by Protagoras (Christ is risen.)
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To: Protagoras

Are you saying that a person that rejects the infallibly taught doctrines and dogmas of the Church, in full knowledge, is still a Catholic in good standing?


189 posted on 04/04/2005 9:40:45 AM PDT by B Knotts (Iohannes Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem.)
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To: B Knotts
Also, scare quotes notwithstanding, the impossibility of the ordination of women is indeed a teaching.

But it's not a teaching that would or should get someone kicked out of the Church, or even avoid the Eucharist over.

190 posted on 04/04/2005 9:41:43 AM PDT by sinkspur (Be not afraid. Be not afraid.)
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To: B Knotts

Where did I say that?


191 posted on 04/04/2005 9:42:51 AM PDT by Protagoras (Christ is risen.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper; sinkspur

I've obviously been using Catholic in the typical sense of Roman Catholic, and not in the sense of claiming universality. If that wasn't clear, now it is.


192 posted on 04/04/2005 9:43:16 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Protagoras
They're the first words of the Nicene Creed: I believe in one God, the Father Almighty....
193 posted on 04/04/2005 9:43:28 AM PDT by Loyalist (Joannes Paulus P.P. II, 1920-2005, Requiescat in pace.)
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To: Protagoras

I should add that my point in this is not some kind of triumphalism, but merely to point out the utter invalidity of this poll. What "self-identified Catholics" think about the teaching of the Church is not really very useful to know.


194 posted on 04/04/2005 9:43:45 AM PDT by B Knotts (Iohannes Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem.)
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To: Protagoras
(And you made some huge leaps to incorrect conclusions)

Please enlighten me. Simply stating that a person is jumping to incorrect conclusions without even stating why you believe so is most pretentious. I read your previous post as meaning that, while the Church should not allow itself to be completely ruled by the petty opinions of American Catholics, it should still lend those opinions credence by paying serious attention to them in deciding its positions.

195 posted on 04/04/2005 9:44:41 AM PDT by AQGeiger (Have you hugged your soldier today?)
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To: BigSkyFreeper; sinkspur

And, might I add, the debate was over whether the Eastern Orthodox were Eastern Rite Catholics. At the point when I used "Catholic" alone, I was clearly doing so as shorthand for "Eastern Rite Catholic"...


196 posted on 04/04/2005 9:46:37 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: kellynla

Quite the oposite. Eastern Orthodox would be outraged to be accused of being Catholic. At least with a capital c.
Catholic with a lower-case c is a completely different thing!

Same with Catholics. They say they are orthodox, but they are definitely not Orthodox.


197 posted on 04/04/2005 9:47:12 AM PDT by Parzival
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To: AntiGuv
I've obviously been using Catholic in the typical sense of Roman Catholic, and not in the sense of claiming universality. If that wasn't clear, now it is.

Only after it was made clear to you that there is a difference.

198 posted on 04/04/2005 9:48:08 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it" - Pope John Paul II)
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To: B Knotts; Protagoras
What "self-identified Catholics" think about the teaching of the Church is not really very useful to know.

It is useful to know insofar as to determine how effective or ineffective those who charged with imparting the teaching of the Church have been.

199 posted on 04/04/2005 9:48:13 AM PDT by sinkspur (Be not afraid. Be not afraid.)
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To: Loyalist
I know it well, just not in Latin.

But the creed says more about being a Christian than a Roman Catholic.

200 posted on 04/04/2005 9:48:44 AM PDT by Protagoras (Christ is risen.)
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