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Posted on 04/04/2005 8:00:34 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: Heatseeker
The image of Cardinal Ratzinger or Arinze in a campaign hat....ROTF!
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posted on
04/04/2005 9:34:28 AM PDT
by
Knitting A Conundrum
(Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
To: sinkspur
Also, scare quotes notwithstanding, the impossibility of the ordination of women is indeed a teaching.
It was infallibly taught in Ordinatio Sacerdotalis. This was confirmed by the Curia.
Women's Ordination: It's Infallible
Game over.
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posted on
04/04/2005 9:35:36 AM PDT
by
B Knotts
(Iohannes Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem.)
To: Heatseeker
The problem of course is that the AP writer, like most in the MSM, are completely without God and hence cannot comprehend the idea that the cardinals' decisions might be made on the basis of prayer. I suspect they think as soon as the doors of the Sistine are sealed shut, the cardinals all break out campaign signs and silly hats and have rallies and then break up into focus groups.************
I think you're right.
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posted on
04/04/2005 9:36:42 AM PDT
by
trisham
To: sinkspur
That is what I get for listening to the MSM about the bishop and his stand.
184
posted on
04/04/2005 9:37:08 AM PDT
by
Ingtar
(Understanding is a three-edged sword : your side, my side, and the truth in between ." -- Kosh)
To: AQGeiger
So I do think there is some value in polling the opinions of American Catholics, but likely not in the way you mean for me to do so.Correct.
(And you made some huge leaps to incorrect conclusions)
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posted on
04/04/2005 9:38:09 AM PDT
by
Protagoras
(Christ is risen.)
To: Protagoras
I love acid tests. Any others? There's one that begins with Credo in unum Deum Patrem omnipotentem....
186
posted on
04/04/2005 9:39:03 AM PDT
by
Loyalist
(Joannes Paulus P.P. II, 1920-2005, Requiescat in pace.)
To: SmithL
Thank God no American Cardinal has a chance of being elected Pope.
To: Loyalist
My latin is rusty. Interpret please.
188
posted on
04/04/2005 9:39:59 AM PDT
by
Protagoras
(Christ is risen.)
To: Protagoras
Are you saying that a person that rejects the infallibly taught doctrines and dogmas of the Church, in full knowledge, is still a Catholic in good standing?
189
posted on
04/04/2005 9:40:45 AM PDT
by
B Knotts
(Iohannes Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem.)
To: B Knotts
Also, scare quotes notwithstanding, the impossibility of the ordination of women is indeed a teaching. But it's not a teaching that would or should get someone kicked out of the Church, or even avoid the Eucharist over.
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posted on
04/04/2005 9:41:43 AM PDT
by
sinkspur
(Be not afraid. Be not afraid.)
To: B Knotts
191
posted on
04/04/2005 9:42:51 AM PDT
by
Protagoras
(Christ is risen.)
To: BigSkyFreeper; sinkspur
I've obviously been using Catholic in the typical sense of Roman Catholic, and not in the sense of claiming universality. If that wasn't clear, now it is.
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posted on
04/04/2005 9:43:16 AM PDT
by
AntiGuv
(™)
To: Protagoras
They're the first words of the Nicene Creed: I believe in one God, the Father Almighty....
193
posted on
04/04/2005 9:43:28 AM PDT
by
Loyalist
(Joannes Paulus P.P. II, 1920-2005, Requiescat in pace.)
To: Protagoras
I should add that my point in this is not some kind of triumphalism, but merely to point out the utter invalidity of this poll. What "self-identified Catholics" think about the teaching of the Church is not really very useful to know.
194
posted on
04/04/2005 9:43:45 AM PDT
by
B Knotts
(Iohannes Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem.)
To: Protagoras
(And you made some huge leaps to incorrect conclusions) Please enlighten me. Simply stating that a person is jumping to incorrect conclusions without even stating why you believe so is most pretentious. I read your previous post as meaning that, while the Church should not allow itself to be completely ruled by the petty opinions of American Catholics, it should still lend those opinions credence by paying serious attention to them in deciding its positions.
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posted on
04/04/2005 9:44:41 AM PDT
by
AQGeiger
(Have you hugged your soldier today?)
To: BigSkyFreeper; sinkspur
And, might I add, the debate was over whether the Eastern Orthodox were Eastern Rite Catholics. At the point when I used "Catholic" alone, I was clearly doing so as shorthand for "Eastern Rite Catholic"...
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posted on
04/04/2005 9:46:37 AM PDT
by
AntiGuv
(™)
To: kellynla
Quite the oposite. Eastern Orthodox would be outraged to be accused of being Catholic. At least with a capital c.
Catholic with a lower-case c is a completely different thing!
Same with Catholics. They say they are orthodox, but they are definitely not Orthodox.
To: AntiGuv
I've obviously been using Catholic in the typical sense of Roman Catholic, and not in the sense of claiming universality. If that wasn't clear, now it is.Only after it was made clear to you that there is a difference.
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posted on
04/04/2005 9:48:08 AM PDT
by
BigSkyFreeper
("Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it" - Pope John Paul II)
To: B Knotts; Protagoras
What "self-identified Catholics" think about the teaching of the Church is not really very useful to know. It is useful to know insofar as to determine how effective or ineffective those who charged with imparting the teaching of the Church have been.
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posted on
04/04/2005 9:48:13 AM PDT
by
sinkspur
(Be not afraid. Be not afraid.)
To: Loyalist
I know it well, just not in Latin.
But the creed says more about being a Christian than a Roman Catholic.
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posted on
04/04/2005 9:48:44 AM PDT
by
Protagoras
(Christ is risen.)
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